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    It appears June 7th, Monday, will be the unofficial "Realignment Day" which will start the roller coaster.....Buckle Up!


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    << Football power Boise State appears to be only waiting for an invitation to become the 10th member of the Mountain West Conference. That invitation could officially come as early as Monday when the MWC's board of directors meets in Jackson, Wyo.

    Speculation around the MWC and the Western Athletic Conference is that Boise State will bolt from the WAC. Typical is the comment by Idaho athletic director Rob Spear, who recently wrote to Vandals fans in his blog, "I am predicting June 7 will be the day when the first shoe drops regarding conference realignment." >>


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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    _ It appears June 7th, Monday, will be the unofficial "Realignment Day" which will start the roller coaster.....Buckle Up!


    http://www.denverpost.com/colleges/ci_15207026




    << Football power Boise State appears to be only waiting for an invitation to become the 10th member of the Mountain West Conference. That invitation could officially come as early as Monday when the MWC's board of directors meets in Jackson, Wyo.

    Speculation around the MWC and the Western Athletic Conference is that Boise State will bolt from the WAC. Typical is the comment by Idaho athletic director Rob Spear, who recently wrote to Vandals fans in his blog, "I am predicting June 7 will be the day when the first shoe drops regarding conference realignment." >> _

    I like the MWC's move in picking up Boise State. They will either lose Utah to the PAC 10 or keep Utah and have a strong argument for BCS inclusion with a 10 team league. If Utah bolts, then Fresno State is the likely replacement. I thought they might have gone for 12 teams and a conference championship by selecting in addition to Boise State, Fresno State and either Nevada or UTEP, or maybe a travel partner for TCU.

    In any event, the WAC is the big loser. With Boise State gone and possibly Fresno State (if Utah bolts), they will only have 8 or 7 teams left. If the MWC expands to 12, the WAC is all but dead. The WAC would have to get pretty aggressive in rebuilding itself at that point and might seek an Eastern alliance with SBC schools. However, with its top 1 or 2 teams gone, I don't know if there would be any takers.

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    _ I like the MWC's move in picking up Boise State. They will either lose Utah to the PAC 10 or keep Utah and have a strong argument for BCS inclusion with a 10 team league. If Utah bolts, then Fresno State is the likely replacement. I thought they might have gone for 12 teams and a conference championship by selecting in addition to Boise State, Fresno State and either Nevada or UTEP, or maybe a travel partner for TCU.

    In any event, the WAC is the big loser. With Boise State gone and possibly Fresno State (if Utah bolts), they will only have 8 or 7 teams left. If the MWC expands to 12, the WAC is all but dead. The WAC would have to get pretty aggressive in rebuilding itself at that point and might seek an Eastern alliance with SBC schools. However, with its top 1 or 2 teams gone, I don't know if there would be any takers. _
    The WAC without Bosie State, is the Sun Belt Conference with snow!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunT View Post
    _ "The WAC without Bosie State, is the Sun Belt Conference with snow!"

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    Without a world atlas---Is it further from El Paso to Marshall or East Carolina

    -or from Ruston to Hawaii????? I think the later so they keep the longest travel routes in college sports??????


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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunT View Post
    "The WAC without Bosie State, is the Sun Belt Conference with snow!"

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    Ouch



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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomer View Post
    _ Without a world atlas---Is it further from El Paso to Marshall or East Carolina

    -or from Ruston to Hawaii????? I think the later so they keep the longest travel routes in college sports?????? _


    Boom, El Paso to ECU is about 2500 miles; about the same as Ruston to Fresno. It's still a 3000 mile swim from LA or SF to Hawai'i.

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    _ Boom, El Paso to ECU is about 2500 miles; about the same as Ruston to Fresno. It's still a 3000 mile swim from LA or SF to Hawai'i. _
    Damn---No wonder I hated the trip!!!! So VoB is that the longest travel of any conference??????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomer View Post
    _ Damn---No wonder I hated the trip!!!! So VoB is that the longest travel of any conference?????? _
    Yes. By at least a factor of 2. Fresno has 2500 mi to Tech and 3000 to Hawai'i; Tech and Hawai'i are just in different universes. The CLOSEST school to Tech in the conference is NMSU, which is over 1000 miles.

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    More fun reading! Posted on SBC and CUSA bbs.

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    The Big 12 meetings are reaching their climax Thursday and Friday in Kansas City with the presidents and chancellors from the league coming together to discuss pressing issues, including sites for championships. (Look for the Big 12 title game in football to stay at Cowboys Stadium for the next three years.)

    But when it comes to possible realignment, the Big 12 meetings may be premature.

    Why?

    Because it appears the Pac-10, which has its meetings in San Francisco starting this weekend, is prepared to make a bold move and invite Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado to join its league, according to multiple sources close to the situation.

    Left out would be Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska and Missouri.

    Messages left with Pac-10 officials by Orangebloods.com on Thursday were not immediately returned.

    The six teams from the Big 12 would be in an eight-team division with Arizona and Arizona State. The other eight-team division would consist of USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State.

    The thought is the Big 16 (or whatever they decide for the name) would start its own television network that could command premium subscriber dollars from cable providers on par with the Big Ten Network and pay out upwards of $20 million to each of the 16 schools in TV revenue.

    Such a merger between the six Big 12 schools and the Pac-10 would build a conference with seven of the country's top 20 TV markets (Los Angeles, Dallas, San Francisco, Houston, Phoenix, Seattle and Sacramento). And such a league would likely command attention from every cable system in the country and command a premium rate from every cable system west of the Mississippi.

    Those projected TV revenues would double the current payouts of roughly $9 million to Big 12 and Pac-10 members. If the Big 16 reached its projections, the league would also surpass the SEC's projected payout of $17 million per school reached in a 15-year TV deal with ABC/ESPN and CBS signed in 2008.

    According to the Omaha World-Herald, the TV revenues paid out to the Big 12 in 2007 (the last year revenue was made public) were as follows:

    1. Texas: $10.2 million
    2. Oklahoma: $9.8 million
    3. Kansas: $9.24 million
    4. Texas A&M: $9.22 million
    5. Nebraska: $9.1 million
    6. Missouri: $8.4 million
    7. Texas Tech: $8.23 million
    8. Kansas State: $8.21 million
    9. Oklahoma State: $8.1 million
    10. Colorado: $8.0 million
    11. Iowa State: $7.4 million
    12. Baylor: $7.1 million

    AN OFFER THAT CAN'T BE REFUSED?

    An invitation from the Pac-10 will be hard for the six Big 12 schools being targeted not to consider. Why? Because Fox Cable Networks (a division of News Corporation), which serves as the chief operating partner of the successful Big Ten Network, appears ready to make the Big 16 Network happen.

    Fox is the chief television partner of the Pac-10 currently, and its subsidiary Fox Sports Net currently holds the rights to the Big 12 cable package, which comes up for bid in the spring of 2011. The Pac-10 also has television deals with Fox up for re-bid at the same time.

    The Big Ten has shown the conference network model works. According to published reports, the TV revenue paid out to Big Ten schools jumped from $14 million for the fiscal year 2006-07 to $22 million for the fiscal year 2007-08.

    A&M TO THE SEC?

    There does appear to be some resistance to an invitation from the Pac-10 from at least one of the six schools being targeted - Texas A&M. According to a source close to the situation, A&M officials have had serious conversations with the Southeastern Conference about the Aggies joining that league.

    In Thursday's editions of the Houston Chronicle, A&M athletic director Bill Byrne was asked if the SEC is an option for the Aggies should the Big 12 break up, and he said, "It might be. You know what? It might be."

    Byrne, the athletic director at Oregon from 1984-92 before going to Nebraska, has been openly critical of having student-athletes travel west, only to return home at odd hours.

    Byrne has used the example of when the Aggies had their men's and women's basketball teams in Spokane and Seattle for the NCAA Tournament in March and couldn't get back to College Station until 6:30 a.m. with students having to attend 8 a.m. classes.

    It's no coincidence Byrne's example included cities in the Pac-10's dominant time zone.

    There is also reason to believe Oklahoma could be enamored with joining the SEC. But that does not appear to be an option Texas officials would be willing to consider. There is a sense among UT officials the academics in the SEC are not on par with Texas.
    If A&M and Oklahoma were to splinter off and join the SEC, the Pac-10 would obviously have to revise its invite list.

    Any move the SEC made in terms of expansion would likely cause the 15-year, $3 billion in TV contracts the SEC landed with ABC/ESPN ($2.2 billion) and CBS ($825 million) to be re-opened for negotiation.

    The question would be how much more money the SEC could command in TV revenue without starting its own network?

    A&M is starved for cash because its athletic department fell $16 million into debt and received a loan from the school's general fund to pay it off, causing a rift between the university and athletics. That rift, in part, led to A&M school president Elsa Murano to resign under pressure because she was pushing for the money to be paid back and was met with resistance by A&M system chancellor Mike McKinney, whose sons played football at A&M, and possibly even Texas Gov. Rick Perry, an Aggie who is still very involved in the school's politics.

    Surprisingly, the Legislature doesn't appear to be an obstacle for the state's two biggest schools to split off into separate conferences, although that is not an ideal situation for either school. If A&M opted to head to the SEC and Texas opted to go elsewhere, there is a very good chance Texas would no longer play the Aggies in any sports.

    NEW OPTIONS

    So after this weekend, there will be a new option for half the schools in the Big 12 to find a new home.

    There also appears to be a chance Nebraska will not get invited to the Big Ten, which means the only school the Big 12 stands to lose to the Big Ten is Missouri. The Big Ten and its efforts to move south, thus far, have been rebuffed by Texas, which doesn't like the logistics of serving as the southern boundary of the Big Ten.

    So the Big Ten continues to focus on Notre Dame and is seriously considering whether to invite Missouri as well as three schools from the Big East (Rutgers, UConn and either Syracuse or Pittsburgh) . Such a move would likely collapse the Big East, where Notre Dame plays its sports other than football, and might cause the Irish to finally acquiesce to joining the Big Ten.

    If that happened, there would be a strong likelihood that four super conferences of roughly 16 teams could emerge: the Big Ten, the SEC, a collaboration of the Big 12 and Pac-10 as well as a collaboration of the Big East and ACC.

    Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe warned against that when the Big 12 meetings started this week in Kansas City.

    "I think it's very serious," Beebe said. "And I think it's something that we better be very careful about. If we come to a day where there are four 16-member conferences, then it's going to be a sad day, and it's going to be very difficult to not have more legal issues and interventions. The pressures will be immense for certain programs to be successful, (and) there will be less chances to win conference championships and national championships."

    CAN THE BIG 12 SURVIVE?

    Believe it or not, it's still Texas' goal to hold the Big 12 together, and simply create a non-conference football scheduling alliance with the Pac-10 that would help generate a big-money, cable TV deal for both leagues.

    Such a move would continue to allow Texas to pursue its own network and create a unique, potentially lucrative revenue stream UT wouldn't have to share. If Texas ended up as one of the six schools going off to join forces with the Pac-10, it would likely have to forgo its own network.

    Larry Scott, the Pac-10 commissioner, told Orangebloods.com recently his schools are "very interested" in exploring a conference network and that it would have to be an "all rights in situation."

    Can Texas convince the rest of the league the Big 12 is the way to go? Would all the wandering eyes like Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Nebraska and Missouri commit to staying in the Big 12 immediately if Texas committed to staying in the Big 12 in light of the Pac-10 offer?

    Missouri probably would not. The Tigers already have one foot in the Big Ten. But Nebraska has no assurance it will be invited to the Big Ten and could be left completely out of the power conference structure if it's not careful. Texas A&M doesn't have the resources to start its own network and doesn't appear eager to be in a league that allows Texas to generate added revenue. The same might be true for OU.

    So the plot thickens. The Pac-10, which is hamstrung by geography and would love to have its sports aired into the Central time zone, wants a merger. And it appears ready to upstage the Big Ten in this game of musical conferences. No one would have its own network in the Big 16, which could compel A&M and OU to accept an invitation.

    The Pac-10 doesn't want to waste time by going out on dates with the Big 12 with a non-conference football scheduling alliance. It wants to take half of the Big 12 and get married. Now, we'll see, who, if anyone, meets them at the altar.


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    Quote Originally Posted by VObserver View Post
    _ Boom, El Paso to ECU is about 2500 miles; about the same as Ruston to Fresno. It's still a 3000 mile swim from LA or SF to Hawai'i. _
    And this affects UL how? Unprecedented change may be about to take place on the college landscape and instead of discussing what OUR chances of improving our position are, we worry about La Tech's freaking travel problems? Does no one believe that there is any chance at all that UL might be included in some of the changes about to happen?

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    This is scary stuff. I don't know how this is going to play out but we sure aren't in a position right now to jump to a better conference.

    We just have to hope the Sun Belt doesn't get annihilated.


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    "there is a sense among UT officials the academics in the SEC are not on par with TEXAS." oh, my. snap!


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    Everybody has had their eyes on the BIG-10. Well, the PAC-10 could be about to trump everybody with this PAC-16 deal.

    It makes sense if you've been paying attention. There has been a lot of talk recently about a new PAC-10/BIG-12 TV deal in the works. That could easily have morphed into some interesting late night calls between a couple of PAC-10 presidents and the UT prez.

    It makes sense for Nebraska and Mizzou to take the first train outta Dodge

    Speaking of Dodge, it makes sense that the Kansas AD looked like something spooked the bejesus out of him on TV yesterday. The man looked positively terrified about what might happen in realignment.


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    "If A&M opted to head to the SEC and Texas opted to go elsewhere, there is a very good chance Texas would no longer play the Aggies in any sports."

    That statement right there should tell you there is no truth to the story. That aint gonna happen in you or my lifetime.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LSUTiger4RaginCajuns View Post
    _ "If A&M opted to head to the SEC and Texas opted to go elsewhere, there is a very good chance Texas would no longer play the Aggies in any sports."

    That statement right there should tell you there is no truth to the story. That aint gonna happen in you or my lifetime. _
    I agree; but the the story is coming from a UT fan site. It's just some T-sip taking a poke at the Ags... even HE doesn't believe that statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSUTiger4RaginCajuns View Post
    _ "If A&M opted to head to the SEC and Texas opted to go elsewhere, there is a very good chance Texas would no longer play the Aggies in any sports."

    That statement right there should tell you there is no truth to the story. That aint gonna happen in you or my lifetime. _
    Even if they ended up in different conferences; highly unlikely they would no longer play. Also, we talk about "Louisiana politics" all the time WRT higher education, etc.; but Texas isn't much better when talking about UT and A&M, plus a couple others namely TX Tech and Baylor (even tho Baylor is private). This is really getting interesting right now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shof View Post
    _ Even if they ended up in different conferences; highly unlikely they would no longer play. Also, we talk about "Louisiana politics" all the time WRT higher education, etc.; but Texas isn't much better when talking about UT and A&M, plus a couple others namely TX Tech and Baylor (even tho Baylor is private). This is really getting interesting right now! _
    Baylor will be toast this time around. No Baylor alum in the Governor's mansion. It was supposed to be TCU to the Big XII, but the Gov threatened to veto the move for UT,aTm and TTU if Baylor didn't go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VObserver View Post
    _ Baylor will be toast this time around. No Baylor alum in the Governor's mansion. It was supposed to be TCU to the Big XII, but the Gov threatened to veto the move for UT,aTm and TTU if Baylor didn't go. _
    BINGO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajun Saint View Post
    _ "there is a sense among UT officials the academics in the SEC are not on par with TEXAS." oh, my. snap! _
    ?? There is no school in the $EC that is even CLOSE to UT [or aTm] in academics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VObserver View Post
    _ ?? There is no school in the $EC that is even CLOSE to UT [or aTm] in academics. _
    Florida, Vanderbilt.

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