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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunsmike View Post
    He has no plans to do that according to the article. Just like Coach Robe was looking forward to this year, basketball staff believes they will be successful next season. I know many on here are skeptical of that but all competitors believe if they stay in the battle, things will turn around. In fact, recruiting efforts continue to be a focus. Some staff members were on the road yesterday while others made the trip to San Marcos.
    The question is what does the staff believe is or would be a successful season? IMO finishing 3rd or 4th in the SBC is not a successful season, no matter how many games are won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahtoo View Post
    The question is what does the staff believe is or would be a successful season? IMO finishing 3rd or 4th in the SBC is not a successful season, no matter how many games are won.
    I know the bar for Cajuns Basketball used to be either a regular conference championship or a conference tourney championship year in and year out.
    The bar has been set so low with Marlin that I don't even know what anyone believes the bar is anymore???

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    Quote Originally Posted by UL_Cajuns View Post
    I know the bar for Cajuns Basketball used to be either a regular conference championship or a conference tourney championship year in and year out.
    The bar has been set so low with Marlin that I don't even know what anyone believes the bar is anymore???
    . I understand a bar of competing year in and year out for championships, but in the 45 years since the death penalty, 7 tournament championships and 5 regular season championships; 3 which overlapped. Which means in 45 years, we won a championship of either type 9 years. So 80% of the time, we have not met the bar.

    I do agree it's been too long since the NCAA's, but the year in and out thing was pre death penalty. That needs Maggard's attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoomZoom View Post
    . I understand a bar of competing year in and year out for championships, but in the 45 years since the death penalty, 7 tournament championships and 5 regular season championships; 3 which overlapped. Which means in 45 years, we won a championship of either type 9 years. So 80% of the time, we have not met the bar.

    I do agree it's been too long since the NCAA's, but the year in and out thing was pre death penalty. That needs Maggard's attention.

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    If the bar is winning the whole thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr View Post
    If the bar is winning the whole thing
    Bingo! We want it to be, but obviously, falling short has long been accepted. The mentality of the Blackham days are long gone.

    Even if the entire league goes all in for MBB, there only can be one winner, and someone will finish last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoomZoom View Post
    Bingo! We want it to be, but obviously, falling short has long been accepted. The mentality of the Blackham days are long gone.
    But there is absolutely no valid reason to not bring that mentality back. Just lots of excuses.

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    VO we've , people like you and me, clearly been thinking about MBB differently than our university leaders. If we by serendipity hired the next great coach they'd usher him out ASAP. Can't have that excessive winning going on around here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoomZoom View Post
    Bingo! We want it to be, but obviously, falling short has long been accepted. The mentality of the Blackham days are long gone.

    Even if the entire league goes all in for MBB, there only can be one winner, and someone will finish last.
    So? You need the mentality of trying to strive for excellence. Do you hear Napier or Glasco or Deggs talking about finishing top 4 as a goal or excuses as to why things didn't go their way? No, I don't either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr View Post
    So? You need the mentality of trying to strive for excellence. Do you hear Napier or Glasco or Deggs talking about finishing top 4 as a goal or excuses as to why things didn't go their way? No, I don't either.
    Because basketball is dead in the south or that's the excuse yet basketball continues to be the easiest path for success for Mid majors among the major sport

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoomZoom View Post
    Bingo! We want it to be, but obviously, falling short has long been accepted. The mentality of the Blackham days are long gone.

    Even if the entire league goes all in for MBB, there only can be one winner, and someone will finish last.
    But that's part of the issue. The standard of a lot of the basketball fans here is more of a "woe is me" attitude. Also, there's a mentality that lingers when we don't succeed of "well, I guess that's the way it is now." That's why fans turn away and go elsewhere. The whole "Mission is March" campaign back in 2014 was perfect because it gave the fans an incentive to look forward to. Now, we just throw our hands up and say "oh well."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultracajun View Post
    Just wouldn't be right all things considered. Not this year.
    Okay .... Still not going to watch a poor product on the court. Not this year, probably not next year either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisingCajun08 View Post
    Okay .... Still not going to watch a poor product on the court. Not this year, probably not next year either.
    Understandable. Question is what happens if a good product is put on the court next season.

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    Understandable. Question is what happens if a good product is put on the court next season.
    What do you consider a good product?

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    So we aren't capable of what georgia st has done in this league over the last several years? Horse apples....


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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuns80 View Post
    What do you consider a good product?
    One that keeps turnovers below 12 a game, out rebounds opponents regularly, shoots over 45 percent from the field,over 35 percent from the three point line, and over 75 percent from the line. Shoots that well while having assists on about 50 percent of baskets and does all this while playing at a good pace. Of course having solid defensive rotations and being able to finish at the basket at a higher rate than in recent years is part of what is necessary as well. At times this year we have done some of that such as shoot free throws well. We also seem to play good defense for a half or so but that is inconsistent. Example of that is the first half of both games in Texas. 2nd half defense in those games declined considerably from the first. We did well on the boards at UTA and against ULM while we let Texas State out rebound us. Problem this year is the inconsistency with much of that and the shooting has overall been poor. A good product is pretty much what we saw from the 2017-18 team prior to the late season problems. Another thing that interests people is having one guy people want to see. Malik Wilson showed flashes of that potential in early January prior to the knee bruise. Since then not so much. I bet he works hard on all of his game in the off season as he seems to be a driven player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basinbear View Post
    So we aren't capable of what georgia st has done in this league over the last several years? Horse apples....
    Have you seen their gym teams are not gunning for them like they are us.. The price you pay when you are the standard you get teams best game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunsmike View Post
    Understandable. Question is what happens if a good product is put on the court next season.
    Would not be surprised, nor if we didn't. We're too close to the forest to see the trees. I expect next season is fish or cut bait, but I'm not the AD.

    But if it would happen, most would be happy. Those with agendas other than UL basketball getting back on track...some heads explode, people leap to their deaths off the basin bridge...because Marlin would get a bonus and probably an extension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunsmike View Post
    One that keeps turnovers below 12 a game, out rebounds opponents regularly, shoots over 45 percent from the field,over 35 percent from the three point line, and over 75 percent from the line. Shoots that well while having assists on about 50 percent of baskets and does all this while playing at a good pace. Of course having solid defensive rotations and being able to finish at the basket at a higher rate than in recent years is part of what is necessary as well. At times this year we have done some of that such as shoot free throws well. We also seem to play good defense for a half or so but that is inconsistent. Example of that is the first half of both games in Texas. 2nd half defense in those games declined considerably from the first. We did well on the boards at UTA and against ULM while we let Texas State out rebound us. Problem this year is the inconsistency with much of that and the shooting has overall been poor. A good product is pretty much what we saw from the 2017-18 team prior to the late season problems. Another thing that interests people is having one guy people want to see. Malik Wilson showed flashes of that potential in early January prior to the knee bruise. Since then not so much. I bet he works hard on all of his game in the off season as he seems to be a driven player.
    It was just two years ago we had this. And, we won 27 games. And, attendance was maybe a couple hundred better. Hence my comment on college basketball being dead in the deep south among mid majors which I've been saying for at least five years. Look at attendance in the deep south among mid majors...not just here. You'll see I'm right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoomZoom View Post
    Would not be surprised, nor if we didn't. We're too close to the forest to see the trees. I expect next season is fish or cut bait, but I'm not the AD.

    But if it would happen, most would be happy. Those with agendas other than UL basketball getting back on track...some heads explode, people leap to their deaths off the basin bridge...because Marlin would get a bonus and probably an extension.
    I have no idea what happens next season. Great improvement is definitely possible. That of course depends on how well guys out recover from injury, the ability to bring in a couple of additional quality players, and continued development/improvement of guys playing now. I understand the view that is too many "ifs" to have confidence in a major turnaround. I would be surprised if things are as rough as this season as some what of what I describe above will occur. How much so, I don't have a clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by talktomewillis View Post
    It was just two years ago we had this. And, we won 27 games. And, attendance was maybe a couple hundred better. Hence my comment on college basketball being dead in the deep south among mid majors which I've been saying for at least five years. Look at attendance in the deep south among mid majors...not just here. You'll see I'm right.
    Announced attendance was slightly better. However, actual people in the Dome was much better than now. It will be again if what I describe as quality play happens for two consecutive seasons.

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