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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr View Post
    Coaching life and basketball go hand in hand for most coaches. Of course when you have as close of a relationship to these kids as coaches do, you want them to succeed in any facet of life but coaches aren't judged and evaluated on what kind of citizens their players become. Coaches have a little skin in the game as well when it comes to behavior of their players as they are ultimately responsible for their players' actions. Fair or not fair, that is what it is. Ask Hud.
    The ONLY reason to have athletics as part of an educational institution is for the educational benefits conveyed by participating in a sport. Considering most sports at all amateur(including NCAA, even though their amateur status is a sham) levels operate in the red, that life education is the sole reason for existence.

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    That's fair but one needs to avoid the knee herk reaction. (I'm not calling anyone a jerk)

    Falling to .594 from .794 is not a fireable offense.

    imo
    Its not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragin4U View Post
    The ONLY reason to have athletics as part of an educational institution is for the educational benefits conveyed by participating in a sport. Considering most sports at all amateur(including NCAA, even though their amateur status is a sham) levels operate in the red, that life education is the sole reason for existence.
    As long as that life education involves winning, you are correct. Calipari and Coach K are not paid nearly $10 million per year to develop men. They are there to win. The one and done and early draft entry ensures that creating an unmatched educational and life lesson experience are not at the forefront of coaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragin4U View Post
    The ONLY reason to have athletics as part of an educational institution is for the educational benefits conveyed by participating in a sport. Considering most sports at all amateur(including NCAA, even though their amateur status is a sham) levels operate in the red, that life education is the sole reason for existence.
    Noope it is by far the #1 arm for advertising that a university has.

    Athletics was the backbone of Ivy League growth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr View Post
    As long as that life education involves winning, you are correct. Calipari and Coach K are not paid nearly $10 million per year to develop men. They are there to win. The one and done and early draft entry ensures that creating an unmatched educational and life lesson experience are not at the forefront of coaching.
    They are not paid $10 mil to develop men.

    They are paid for the advertising value they bring their respective institutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    They are not paid $10 mil to develop men.

    They are paid for the advertising value they bring their respective institutions.
    well said

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    They are not paid $10 mil to develop men.

    They are paid for the advertising value they bring their respective institutions.
    That is the point. And to win. Those two advertising attractions are the two highest paid coaches in the country and their programs are consistently at the top of the rankings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    They are not paid $10 mil to develop men.

    They are paid for the advertising value they bring their respective institutions.
    When choosing an academic institution, do the top students in the country check Stanford's football record or Harvard's Heavyweight Crew standings? Or are you saying that donors need to see sports-related advertising by the athletic program?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragin4U View Post
    When choosing an academic institution, do the top students in the country check Stanford's football record or Harvard's Heavyweight Crew standings? Or are you saying that donors need to see sports-related advertising by the athletic program?
    Harvard gained nation attention through sports centuries ago. Their model subsequently reached critical mass and switched to elitism.

    In the late 1800's and early 1900's indi Ivy League results were published nation wide in papers such as the Daily Advertiser and Lafayette Gazette.

    To your question, Neither.

    The power of advertising is in name recognition.

    When the time comes to make a purchase of any kind, the seller who has never been heard of is rarely in the equation.

    The buyer rarely recalls how they became aware of the seller.

    Athletics provides name recognition without pigeon holing the seller's academic opportunities.

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    What sports was Harvard playing in the 1600 and 1700's?

    Are you saying a university would not survive without the brand recognition of athletics? That seems like a stretch. It doesn't seem logical that a university's prowess in sports has anything to do with their standing with students who are not looking for a sports program. I get a stud LB or QB comparing Bama, Michigan and Clemson for athletic standing but not the local 4.0 student who wants to be a doctor.

    Curious if one could find the results of the Brown-Colgate matchup in the Advertiser or Advocate today.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragin4U View Post
    What sports was Harvard playing in the 1600 and 1700's?

    Are you saying a university would not survive without the brand recognition of athletics? That seems like a stretch. It doesn't seem logical that a university's prowess in sports has anything to do with their standing with students who are not looking for a sports program. I get a stud LB or QB comparing Bama, Michigan and Clemson for athletic standing but not the local 4.0 student who wants to be a doctor.

    Curious if one could find the results of the Brown-Colgate matchup in the Advertiser or Advocate today.
    The Advertiser published results of several core schools that eventually became the Ivy league. This was common nation wide.

    The formation of the Southeastern Conference bumped Harvard results out of the local papers.

    Here is some Harvard athletic history. https://www.gocrimson.com/informatio...ditiontimeline

    Without athletics Dr. Stephens would have not grown UL to become the 2nd largest school in the State in just 39 years.

    Harvard and it's like didn't need much help early on as being early has its advantages. That and the relatively small footprint of the early colonies.

    As the country expanded west they certainly took advantage of the publicity athletics offered.

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    any update on jordan brown? (aka title of thread).... was he recruited by miller at zona?


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    any update on jordan brown? (aka title of thread).... was he recruited by miller at zona?
    His final 3 out of high school were Arizona, Cal and Nevada. I'm thinking that Cal will be his destination if they have room for him. Arizona is a bit of a dumpster fire with Miller issues and Brown grew up in the area. Seems like a natural fit.

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    Cal Bears have been pretty bad recently. And it looks like they have some guys in the transfer portal. Not sure what that means for Brown


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragin4U View Post
    Cal Bears have been pretty bad recently. And it looks like they have some guys in the transfer portal. Not sure what that means for Brown
    He gets to play in a P5 conference and I'm sure will be given ample opportunities plus he's close to home. Probably works well for him considering he almost went there last year anyhow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    The Advertiser published results of several core schools that eventually became the Ivy league. This was common nation wide.

    The formation of the Southeastern Conference bumped Harvard results out of the local papers.

    Here is some Harvard athletic history. https://www.gocrimson.com/informatio...ditiontimeline

    Without athletics Dr. Stephens would have not grown UL to become the 2nd largest school in the State in just 39 years.

    Harvard and it's like didn't need much help early on as being early has its advantages. That and the relatively small footprint of the early colonies.

    As the country expanded west they certainly took advantage of the publicity athletics offered.
    This is the best line of the whole thing!
    "Afterward, the winners are treated to dinner by the vanquished"

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr View Post
    He gets to play in a P5 conference and I'm sure will be given ample opportunities plus he's close to home. Probably works well for him considering he almost went there last year anyhow.
    Reno is almost as close to Sacramento as the Bay Area!
    Did Mussellman leave Nevada?

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    Went to Arkansas


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragin4U View Post
    Reno is almost as close to Sacramento as the Bay Area!
    Did Mussellman leave Nevada?
    Yes Musselman left but I'm a bit lost. What does Sacramento have to do with his decision? He grew up in the Napa area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr View Post
    Yes Musselman left but I'm a bit lost. What does Sacramento have to do with his decision? He grew up in the Napa area.
    Thought he was from the Sacramento area

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