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    Default Re: Oh, the Shreveport butthurt over "Louisiana"

    I don't think he's "family" with the law.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunfanatico View Post
    That's as complete a summary as I've ever seen Turbine. And while I'm not an attorney (thank god), I do believe that if something isn't specifically written into a law, then it can't be inferred, which is why I always chuckled at the necksters talking about what the law meant, versus what it actually said.

    Laws have to be specific, which is why there are so gd many of them.
    If laws weren't open to interpretation then we wouldn't need lawyers - which may not be a bad thing.

    "Spirit of the law refers to ideas that the creators of a particular law wanted to have effect. It is the intent and purpose of the lawmaker, or framer of the Constitution, as determined by a consideration of the whole context thereof. Spirit of law is determined from the letters and the circumstances surrounding its enactment. The Spirit of the Law, as opposed to the letter of the law, refers to the meaning and intent of the law and those who created the law and what they intended to accomplish in the creation of the law." - US Legal Dictionary

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRanchMan View Post
    So you're saying the "University of Louisiana Law" is flawed and the Louisiana Legislature needs to fix it. Gotcha
    The whole challenge was flawed.

    The judge ruled that naming rights were not reserved by the legislature.

    The judge ruled that no law prevented the board of Trustees from making name changes.

    Yet he ruled against the name change.

    By his logic you can't go to the restroom unless a law says you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stodgdog View Post
    If laws weren't open to interpretation then we wouldn't need lawyers - which may not be a bad thing.

    "Spirit of the law refers to ideas that the creators of a particular law wanted to have effect. It is the intent and purpose of the lawmaker, or framer of the Constitution, as determined by a consideration of the whole context thereof. Spirit of law is determined from the letters and the circumstances surrounding its enactment. The Spirit of the Law, as opposed to the letter of the law, refers to the meaning and intent of the law and those who created the law and what they intended to accomplish in the creation of the law." - US Legal Dictionary
    Perhaps true, but I will take a Louisiana Supreme Court decision, which establishes precedent, over any Legal Dictionary. Btw, this standard I cited is not unique to Louisiana. It is a well established principal in most, if not all, state courts and the federal system as well.

    Spirit of the law only comes into play when the language is ambiguous. In this case, there is no ambiguity, and it is impossible to explain why the legislature went to the trouble of setting specific conditions it, in fact, it wanted a general application. It would have been very easy, and a common occurrence, for the legislature to insert a "preamble" to the statute stating something to the effect that it was established public policy that the city was to always be mentioned whenever referring to a specific university. It did not do so, and there is no way to construe that it intended to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRanchMan View Post
    You obviously are not family with the legal system. Any judge will view the use of "Louisiana" as an attempt to avoid complying with the law ( legal opportunism). The judge would review the intent of the legislature, which was to require the city designate in ALL cases, and rule against UL. If for some reason UL was to get a liberal judge from Tulane and rule in their favor, the legislature could close any perceived loopholes at the request of the plaintiff universities. For the most part, the Acadiana delegation would vote against UL.
    "Louisiana" has been a nickname for Cajuns since before the first soldiers served in WWI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by covcaj View Post
    Court of Appeal of Louisiana,Third Circuit.
    STATE of Louisiana, Appellee, v. Robert ANTOINE, Defendant-Appellant.

    No. 98-369.
    Decided: October 28, 1998

    Moreover, the time honored maxim expressio unius et exclusio alterius is yet another helpful guide.   It teaches us that when the legislature specifically enumerates a series of things, the legislature's omission of other items, which could have been easily included in the statute, is deemed intentional.  State v. Louisiana  Riverboat Gaming Com'n., 94-1872, 94-1914 (La.5/22/95);  655 So.2d 292.

    NEXT!!!!! 
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRanchMan View Post
    This sounds like an attorney trying to convince a judge that his client didn't "specifically" commit a crime with a lot of BS. This is a tactic defense attorneys use often.
    The "letter of the law" is what's actually written down. The "spirit of the law" is the intentions of the law-maker.

    For example, the letter of the law might say "No vehicles permitted in the park." But the spirit of the law might be to forbid large motorized vehicles, and not (for example) bicycles, motorized wheelchairs, or toys! - US Law

    The interpretation of the law towards the end of providing justice, even if this interpretation does not fall within the law as written. - US Law

    Gaming the system, also called "rules lawyering", is a pejorative phrase applied to someone who follows the letter of the law to obtain an outcome contrary to the spirit of the law.

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    UL 1984, 1999 . . . . Re: Oh, the Shreveport butthurt over "Louisiana"

    Whatever dude


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    Quote Originally Posted by covcaj View Post
    Again, you have proven our point.

    The use of the two-letter University of Louisiana abbreviation, "UL," and/or the
    phrase "U of L" are prohibited by the university or any of its affiliated organizations
    (alumni associations, development foundations, bookstores, etc.).

    All uses of the name "University of Louisiana" must be followed by the word "at"
    and the institution's geographic location.

    The memo is clear. When using the term "University of Louisiana." Nothing for when the term is simply "Louisiana." Prohibiting this would not require a legal proceeding. The Board could simply issue another memorandum stating that the city must be used in all cases. They have not done so.

    Again, please rebut, if you can.
    "UL," and/or the phrase "U of L" are prohibited by the university or any of its affiliated organizations"

    UL is displayed on the baseball caps. Is that a violation of the statute?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stodgdog View Post
    The "letter of the law" is what's actually written down. The "spirit of the law" is the intentions of the law-maker.

    For example, the letter of the law might say "No vehicles permitted in the park." But the spirit of the law might be to forbid large motorized vehicles, and not (for example) bicycles, motorized wheelchairs, or toys! - US Law

    The interpretation of the law towards the end of providing justice, even if this interpretation does not fall within the law as written. - US Law

    Gaming the system, also called "rules lawyering", is a pejorative phrase applied to someone who follows the letter of the law to obtain an outcome contrary to the spirit of the law.
    And, if the term "vehicle" was not defined in the law, this might be a reasonable interpretation. However, if vehicle is defined as "any self-propelled vehicle, commonly wheeled, that does not operate on rails (such as trains or trams) and is used for the transportation of people or cargo," then motorized wheel chairs would not be permitted, no matter the "intent," and bicycles absolutely would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stodgdog View Post
    ""UL," and/or the phrase "U of L" are prohibited by the university or any of its affiliated organizations"

    UL is displayed on the baseball caps. Is that a violation of the statute?
    Not really, but that surely CAPS things off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stodgdog View Post
    ""UL," and/or the phrase "U of L" are prohibited by the university or any of its affiliated organizations"

    UL is displayed on the baseball caps. Is that a violation of the statute?
    Might be....

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    Quote Originally Posted by stodgdog View Post
    ""UL," and/or the phrase "U of L" are prohibited by the university or any of its affiliated organizations"

    UL is displayed on the baseball caps. Is that a violation of the statute?
    I do believe I posted a picture of our baseball players wearing those UL hats on Bulldog Barks and Butts. It was only for informative purposes though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stodgdog View Post
    ""UL," and/or the phrase "U of L" are prohibited by the university or any of its affiliated organizations"

    UL is displayed on the baseball caps. Is that a violation of the statute?
    I think we can assume the baseball program got clearance from above to wear those hats with only UL on them, which is interesting.

    Sometimes I think TPTB are itching for a fight on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stodgdog View Post
    ""UL," and/or the phrase "U of L" are prohibited by the university or any of its affiliated organizations"

    UL is displayed on the baseball caps. Is that a violation of the statute?
    Dude ya don't even realize you're the butt of this joke thread. You're the guy that's been threatening a civil action for over a decade. We keep waiting and hoping you got the nads. 😏😏

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunfanatico View Post
    I do believe I posted a picture of our baseball players wearing those UL hats on Bulldog Barks and Butts. It was only for informative purposes though.
    Oh no, you no doubt inadvertently provided evidence for that lawsuit they got going. We are so illegal and immoral.

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    Let's be clear here, nobody on the LATURD site, Alice Who sites would pi-zz on ULMOST to stop them from burning. So it's clear who's worried about what.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunEXPRESS View Post
    Dude ya don't even realize you're the butt of this joke thread. You're the guy that's been threatening a civil action for over a decade. We keep waiting and hoping you got the nads. 😏😏
    He has the "nads" but is so busy licking them that he will never pull it off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunfanatico View Post
    I think we can assume the baseball program got clearance from above to wear those hats with only UL on them, which is interesting.

    Sometimes I think TPTB are itching for a fight on the subject.
    Is that "the powers that be?" I'm not hip on all internet lingo. What does lagb mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunVic View Post
    He has the "nads" but is so busy licking them that he will never pull it off.
    All Dawgs with nads died from heat strokes. Now they simply get a baby bi—tch

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