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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunVic View Post
    I'm really confused. First you say that the possibility of the coach being lured away is the sole reason to give an extension or raise, then provide a couple of other reason to do so. Which one is it?

    How about if the AD feels that he can't find a better coach at this time for the same money and terms?
    I'll go with option two, Alex. I gave further thought and so stated. If your hypothetical is correct (and I don't agree with it), there is still no reason to give an extension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by covcaj View Post
    I'll go with option two, Alex. I gave further thought and so stated. If your hypothetical is correct (and I don't agree with it), there is still no reason to give an extension.
    Also, didn't Mike say earlier that they lowered the buyout amount.

    I have no problem with a raise and extension in exchange for a lower buyout. Seems to benefit both parties. If he performs, he has earned it and he makes more for longer.

    If not, we buy him out for less. Sounds like a win - win.

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    What a slow RP day that we would banter over Marlin's extension or his record of last year, each of which is a fait accompli.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunVic View Post
    So the criteria for an extension or raise for a coach is solely whether some other college may want you and hire you away?
    If the extension is 2-years in advance, yes.

    I can see renewals occurring 1-year in advance for recruiting purposes.

    But this perpetual "I have 2-years or more on my contract" is stupilly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunVic View Post
    Also, didn't Mike say earlier that they lowered the buyout amount.

    I have no problem with a raise and extension in exchange for a lower buyout. Seems to benefit both parties. If he performs, he has earned it and he makes more for longer.

    If not, we buy him out for less. Sounds like a win - win.
    Except we could have done nothing. After this season, he is in the final year of his contract. If you want to extend after this season, you could have done the same thing as this year. If you did not want to extend his contract, I imagine, but don't know for sure, that the buyout on the last year of the contract would have been pretty small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by covcaj View Post
    Except we could have done nothing. After this season, he is in the final year of his contract. If you want to extend after this season, you could have done the same thing as this year. If you did not want to extend his contract, I imagine, but don't know for sure, that the buyout on the last year of the contract would have been pretty small.
    Obviously Dr Maggard had his reasons, cause I don't think he is the type to fall in love with ANY coach for too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunVic View Post
    Obviously Dr Maggard had his reasons, cause I don't think he is the type to fall in love with ANY coach for too long.
    I agree. And, if I had to bet on my opinion or his, I would place a big bet (at least $10.00, which is a big bet for me) on him. He's probably right, I'm probably wrong, I just don't know why.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunVic View Post
    Also, didn't Mike say earlier that they lowered the buyout amount.

    I have no problem with a raise and extension in exchange for a lower buyout. Seems to benefit both parties. If he performs, he has earned it and he makes more for longer.

    If not, we buy him out for less. Sounds like a win - win.
    I don't know details if buyout. I do know it drops 175 grand as each year goes by. I had said I don't think a buyout is a problem if disaster strikes. I base that on how Hud was handled. Lump sum he received was actually less than what he would have earned had he been given an annual amount. This is moot at this stage as decision has been made. Also making it moot is that we are likely to fare similarly in the recent past in the next two years. Fact is administration will not consider a change for one second if that occurs. I know that is not good enough for many but that is reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunsmike View Post
    I don't know details if buyout. I do know it drops 175 grand as each year goes by. I had said I don't think a buyout is a problem if disaster strikes. I base that on how Hud was handled. Lump sum he received was actually less than what he would have earned had he been given an annual amount. This is moot at this stage as decision has been made. Also making it moot is that we are likely to fare similarly in the recent past in the next two years. Fact is administration will not consider a change for one second if that occurs. I know that is not good enough for many but that is reality.
    Mike, is Hughes eligible to play this year? I was impressed by him last night, and think he will give us some solid minutes at the 2 spot.
    JD also looks like he has stepped his game up from last year. I hope he can shoot it like he did last night.

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    Another shooting guard.

    https://t.co/OaYD1jei4N


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    Bottom line, we gave Marlin a contract extension early. He's not in demand yet we're going to reward him for a mediocre career here. Even sub par if ya consider his record vs any decent program.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Localyokel View Post
    Mike, is Hughes eligible to play this year? I was impressed by him last night, and think he will give us some solid minutes at the 2 spot.
    JD also looks like he has stepped his game up from last year. I hope he can shoot it like he did last night.
    You probably meant Jeremy Hayes rather than Hughes. Yes he is a JUCO transfer that can play immediately. Personally I think Jalen Johnson is the best overall player on the team. He is Number 21 for those that were there last night. He cannot play this year due to transferring from St. Louis. Kid now admits he should have come here straight out of High school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunEXPRESS View Post
    Bottom line, we gave Marlin a contract extension early. He's not in demand yet we're going to reward him for a mediocre career here. Even sub par if ya consider his record vs any decent program.
    I can see why some question doing the extension now. However we would likely have done it in March anyway. Why Dr. Maggard decided to do it now which is earlier than needed is something I cannot answer. Those who think he made a mistake here need to ask him. Personally I don't think a soul on the planet has told him they are disappointed in that step. I guess he is confident that another good season awaits. Personally I think it would be a stretch to expect what we saw last season due to losing 3 key guys.

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    No doubt, we had the best talent here last year for decades. The talent didn't win enough. Maybe the coaching isn't as good as the talent.


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    Well this thread digressed away from the actual commitment pretty quickly but to get back to it I came across this video. I know all of these are designed to make a kid look great but I do have to say I'm a little bit more excited about Lowery after watching this.

    https://youtu.be/OffUymAjS80


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    Hopefully he'll be great. This years class was special, but Kobe injury, concussion on a top freshman makes us forget.


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    I agree that this years class will eventually prove to be special, it is a shame about the concussion keeping Gladney out on top of Julien's injury. Ton of potential in both of the other 2 as well. I do think it was telling that Lafayette didn't see the floor against UT even with Gant fouling out with over 5 minutes left. Very well could have had a 3rd freshman injury if he would have gone in there and banged around with size of some of their forwards.


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    Quote Originally Posted by talktomewillis View Post
    The Cajuns won 27 games last year.

    The Cajuns won a Sun Belt Conference Championship last year.

    Marlin was rewarded for the performance, which is normal.

    If Gant isn't sick and Stove isn't hurt and we win the tournament, we aren't having this discussion.
    We've given two multi-year extensions far before his contract was even up for a 58% winning percentage and 1 NCAA tournament appearance. Until last year, that winning percentage was under 55%. Why not a 1 year extension? Why not wait until his contract is up to evaluate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunVic View Post
    Also, didn't Mike say earlier that they lowered the buyout amount.

    I have no problem with a raise and extension in exchange for a lower buyout. Seems to benefit both parties. If he performs, he has earned it and he makes more for longer.

    If not, we buy him out for less. Sounds like a win - win.
    buyout is less but you are committed to him until 2023. You don't extend him and let his contract play out, you don't have a buyout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr View Post
    We've given two multi-year extensions far before his contract was even up for a 58% winning percentage and 1 NCAA tournament appearance. Until last year, that winning percentage was under 55%. Why not a 1 year extension? Why not wait until his contract is up to evaluate?
    We can agree Marlin inherited a mess when he got the job. His first three years were underwhelming. His winning percentage over the last five years is .651 with two championships (one tournament, one regular season). Now, we can debate all day whether that's good or not. But I dont think using the 50% argument is totally fair here.

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