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    Quote Originally Posted by fanof71 View Post
    There are folks in the Athletic complex who are paid money to figure this out. Obviously, they aren't doing a very good job. UL has always had game marketing/involvement issues. While winning will cure some of these ills (see Cincinnati vs Tulane, the Bearcat student sections were full for an afternoon game...) its going to take some creative direct marketing to sway student participation. It ain't rocket surgery, get creative and get to work on social media. Avoid the "cutesy" promotions, they never work and only look cheap and dumb. NO ONE is going to show up to for a free fry or drink promotion. And to some extent, this situation DOES involve the game day atmosphere and in stadium experience, which has been enough of a sore point that it makes its way on to the after game surveys, but changes never occur. And since it is homecoming, Napier should say something about not just student attendance, but address the "casual" fan out there...
    Still don't understand why they never do a rolling cash give away like basketball...when that pot in b-ball gets to $1k...there are butts in the seats!!!

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    Napier should say something about not just student attendance, but address the "casual" fan out there...
    That's what I said earlier. Napier, like Saban, should be the one to say something. Coming from the coaches mouth will carry more water than what we might say. Napier should go on campus and address the students and get answers from them. Find out why they don't attend and work from there. The regular fan base is another issue that the administration should address. I don't read about any promotion being done in this area.....

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    You say winning will bring the fan base to the games. How much does a large crowd help a home team's performance? A catch 22 here.....


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    15,009 The Festival People will bring us over the 15,000 mark.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchie35 View Post
    You say winning will bring the fan base to the games. How much does a large crowd help a home team's performance? A catch 22 here.....
    A relevant football team, on the national scene, involved with the CFB national coverage, creates its own urgency. It creates its own buildup. Promotions and excitement, coupled with environment and WINNING on a national level, will have those "people who are paid money to figure this out" having to turn folks away at the gate. Hudspeth was on the brink. If he beats Florida that Saturday, then proceeds to have the same remaining season, and maybe avoids the let down, this town would have exploded for Cajun football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanof71 View Post
    There are folks in the Athletic complex who are paid money to figure this out. Obviously, they aren't doing a very good job. UL has always had game marketing/involvement issues. While winning will cure some of these ills (see Cincinnati vs Tulane, the Bearcat student sections were full for an afternoon game...) its going to take some creative direct marketing to sway student participation. It ain't rocket surgery, get creative and get to work on social media. Avoid the "cutesy" promotions, they never work and only look cheap and dumb. NO ONE is going to show up to for a free fry or drink promotion. And to some extent, this situation DOES involve the game day atmosphere and in stadium experience, which has been enough of a sore point that it makes its way on to the after game surveys, but changes never occur. And since it is homecoming, Napier should say something about not just student attendance, but address the "casual" fan out there...
    Cincinnati is a 6-0, AAC, top 25 team. Not a great comparison.

    Given the fact that no Sun Belt team ever has great attendance I'd say it is harder than rocket surgery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRebel View Post
    . . . harder than rocket surgery.
    Is that a cross between "rocket science" and "brain surgery?"

    A whole lot of very smart specialists will be needed to tackle this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    ...If he beats Florida that Saturday, then proceeds to have the same remaining season, and maybe avoids the let down, this town would have exploded for Cajun football.
    Yep.

    We have a 20k base attendance all things being equal. We also have a 20k reserve attendance that are triggered to jump on the bandwagon at various levels up until we have 40k attendance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clutch0364 View Post
    The entire fanbase sucks. We add 3000 students to our attendance and our numbers still suck. We have a much larger issue than just the students and people need to realize that. The local community is not getting involved for whatever reason. Until that is fixed our attendence will always be bad.
    This is exactly my point. Well said

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    Because we don't win.. And I don't mean Sun Belt win.. We need to WIN.

    People want to be a part of something special. Beating NMSU isn't special. Even if you do it over and over again.

    Bring Boise to town and win. Go beat a Kentucky or Ole Miss on the road, and then come home and dominate the conference. Do something special on national TV when the whole country is watching. That's our problem.
    I agree but another issue is that the atmosphere is terrible. In the last 6ish years the atmosphere has gone way down. There is zero excitement in the stadium and some of that is do to product but a lot of it is the fan base. We have a bunch of fans who would prefer to sit with their hands in their pockets...unless you stand in front of them while you are cheering, that's when you get asked to sit because they can't see.

    This dead atmosphere is what causes a lot of people not to come back a 2nd time. Again winning will help but we need to up the atmosphere. Get the wine and cheese crowd to get excited and cheer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRebel View Post
    Cincinnati is a 6-0, AAC, top 25 team. Not a great comparison.

    Given the fact that no Sun Belt team ever has great attendance I'd say it is harder than rocket surgery.
    That was my point, a winning team, regardless of the opponent is going to draw...i think Cincinnati is more of a peer than say Bama or MSU...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchie35 View Post
    That's what I said earlier. Napier, like Saban, should be the one to say something. Coming from the coaches mouth will carry more water than what we might say. Napier should go on campus and address the students and get answers from them. Find out why they don't attend and work from there. The regular fan base is another issue that the administration should address. I don't read about any promotion being done in this area.....
    Speaking out about attendance is a natural opportunity given that it's Homecoming...any other time, maybe not

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    I'm coming from Texas to go to the festival Friday, then football Saturday. Look for me, I'll be the one eating lots of Cajun food, drinking lots of beer and dancing with my wife! Oh, wearing red also.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Clutch0364 View Post
    I agree but another issue is that the atmosphere is terrible. In the last 6ish years the atmosphere has gone way down. There is zero excitement in the stadium and some of that is do to product but a lot of it is the fan base. We have a bunch of fans who would prefer to sit with their hands in their pockets...unless you stand in front of them while you are cheering, that's when you get asked to sit because they can't see.

    This dead atmosphere is what causes a lot of people not to come back a 2nd time. Again winning will help but we need to up the atmosphere. Get the wine and cheese crowd to get excited and cheer.
    A lot to unravel here.

    It's my opinion that manufactured environment is worse than a bad environment. Manufactured feels phony, where at least the bad environment has hope to be better.

    We've gotten so far away from what made sports so popular, across the board. The promotions and game day experience extras and video additions and on and on... were never meant to be the meat and potatoes of the sporting experience. It has become that way in small markets and in bad organizations since money infected the sporting world. Everyone wants a piece of the profit, no matter how it happens.

    What made sporting events so great and so popular was passion, rivalries, hatred, tribalism and competition. Sanctioning bodies have removed all of that from the experience.

    Here at UL, I've long said we shot ourselves in the foot by promoting our game experiences as "family friendly". (Don't get me wrong, I understand why we did it. It was out of necessity). You don't see a lot of kids and families at SEC football games. You see rabid alumni, packed student sections, and away sections with virtually no home fan in sight. What makes the SEC such a good product is undoubtedly the talent on the field and the level of competition, coupled with the passion in the stands. The SEC figured out a long time ago that the hatred, passion and rivalry was the true marketing value of their sport.

    You can't duplicate passion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    A lot to unravel here.

    It's my opinion that manufactured environment is worse than a bad environment. Manufactured feels phony, where at least the bad environment has hope to be better.

    We've gotten so far away from what made sports so popular, across the board. The promotions and game day experience extras and video additions and on and on... were never meant to be the meat and potatoes of the sporting experience. It has become that way in small markets and in bad organizations since money infected the sporting world. Everyone wants a piece of the profit, no matter how it happens.

    What made sporting events so great and so popular was passion, rivalries, hatred, tribalism and competition. Sanctioning bodies have removed all of that from the experience.

    Here at UL, I've long said we shot ourselves in the foot by promoting our game experiences as "family friendly". (Don't get me wrong, I understand why we did it. It was out of necessity). You don't see a lot of kids and families at SEC football games. You see rabid alumni, packed student sections, and away sections with virtually no home fan in sight. What makes the SEC such a good product is undoubtedly the talent on the field and the level of competition, coupled with the passion in the stands. The SEC figured out a long time ago that the hatred, passion and rivalry was the true marketing value of their sport.

    You can't duplicate passion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    A lot to unravel here.

    It's my opinion that manufactured environment is worse than a bad environment. Manufactured feels phony, where at least the bad environment has hope to be better.

    We've gotten so far away from what made sports so popular, across the board. The promotions and game day experience extras and video additions and on and on... were never meant to be the meat and potatoes of the sporting experience. It has become that way in small markets and in bad organizations since money infected the sporting world. Everyone wants a piece of the profit, no matter how it happens.

    What made sporting events so great and so popular was passion, rivalries, hatred, tribalism and competition. Sanctioning bodies have removed all of that from the experience.

    Here at UL, I've long said we shot ourselves in the foot by promoting our game experiences as "family friendly". (Don't get me wrong, I understand why we did it. It was out of necessity). You don't see a lot of kids and families at SEC football games. You see rabid alumni, packed student sections, and away sections with virtually no home fan in sight. What makes the SEC such a good product is undoubtedly the talent on the field and the level of competition, coupled with the passion in the stands. The SEC figured out a long time ago that the hatred, passion and rivalry was the true marketing value of their sport.

    You can't duplicate passion.
    Agree completely. We have a lot of things going on that for me kill the game day experience. I don't need the video board screaming at me to get loud. I much preferred the Halloween theme song on 3rd down.

    This will make a lot of people upset but the kids run to start the game is terrible. I understand the kids get to go on field and all but it screams small time. It kills me every game when the announcer says "its a new Cajun field tradition". If its new, its not a tradition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    A lot to unravel here.

    It's my opinion that manufactured environment is worse than a bad environment. Manufactured feels phony, where at least the bad environment has hope to be better.

    We've gotten so far away from what made sports so popular, across the board. The promotions and game day experience extras and video additions and on and on... were never meant to be the meat and potatoes of the sporting experience. It has become that way in small markets and in bad organizations since money infected the sporting world. Everyone wants a piece of the profit, no matter how it happens.

    What made sporting events so great and so popular was passion, rivalries, hatred, tribalism and competition. Sanctioning bodies have removed all of that from the experience.

    Here at UL, I've long said we shot ourselves in the foot by promoting our game experiences as "family friendly". (Don't get me wrong, I understand why we did it. It was out of necessity). You don't see a lot of kids and families at SEC football games. You see rabid alumni, packed student sections, and away sections with virtually no home fan in sight. What makes the SEC such a good product is undoubtedly the talent on the field and the level of competition, coupled with the passion in the stands. The SEC figured out a long time ago that the hatred, passion and rivalry was the true marketing value of their sport.

    You can't duplicate passion.
    College Football games at Cajun Field need to be more collegiate(BAND) and more about actual football(LESS VIDEO GAZING). Also, they need to be less about being a daycare and being an obnoxious Hip Hop/dance review/mix master deafening wall of CRAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clutch0364 View Post
    I agree but another issue is that the atmosphere is terrible. In the last 6ish years the atmosphere has gone way down. There is zero excitement in the stadium and some of that is do to product but a lot of it is the fan base. We have a bunch of fans who would prefer to sit with their hands in their pockets...unless you stand in front of them while you are cheering, that's when you get asked to sit because they can't see.

    This dead atmosphere is what causes a lot of people not to come back a 2nd time. Again winning will help but we need to up the atmosphere. Get the wine and cheese crowd to get excited and cheer.
    You know what creates atmosphere? An active, engaged, present student section with raucous, creative chants and cheers.
    For Coastal Carolina I counted 67 students at kickoff. 67

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clutch0364 View Post
    Agree completely. We have a lot of things going on that for me kill the game day experience. I don't need the video board screaming at me to get loud. I much preferred the Halloween theme song on 3rd down.

    This will make a lot of people upset but the kids run to start the game is terrible. I understand the kids get to go on field and all but it screams small time. It kills me every game when the announcer says "its a new Cajun field tradition". If its new, its not a tradition.
    We have lost sight of why we are here. It feels like we are trying to recreate the Tigue experience at Cajun Field. It does not work in college football and never will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clutch0364 View Post
    Agree completely. We have a lot of things going on that for me kill the game day experience. I don't need the video board screaming at me to get loud. I much preferred the Halloween theme song on 3rd down.

    This will make a lot of people upset but the kids run to start the game is terrible. I understand the kids get to go on field and all but it screams small time. It kills me every game when the announcer says "its a new Cajun field tradition". If its new, its not a tradition.
    Absolutely.

    This goes back to the YRCC debate. Supporters with analyzitical minds, supporters with business minds look at every kid at a sporting event think "glad they are here, but that's a missed opportunity". It's not a popular opinion, but it's the ugly truth. For every YRCC member sliding down the grassy hill, that's a wasted $50-100, if we replace said member with a target demo supporter.

    We lack environment because we lack passion, rivalry and hate. We've also been conditioned to behave "a certain way" because we'rw supposed to be better than those reprobates across the basin. And that's fine, but a segment of our fan base wears that badge a little too seriously. (Reference my rant on fans being proud to have hosted Boise St supporters well while they embarrassed us in the gridiron).

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