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    Quote Originally Posted by carnold983 View Post
    I didn't mean on our schedule, I meant SBC is the only conference that has been accepting new members that are FCS schools moving up to the FBS
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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
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    You are correct, however both of those schools joined around '13. If CUSA looses a school now and decides to add, I think it would be a SBC school. If we loose a school now, and decide to add, I would guess it would be a FCS school

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    Quote Originally Posted by carnold983 View Post
    You are correct, however both of those schools joined around '13. If CUSA looses a school now and decides to add, I think it would be a SBC school. If we loose a school now, and decide to add, I would guess it would be a FCS school
    The SBC did recently cut Idaho and NMSU loose

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    Quote Originally Posted by carnold983 View Post
    You are correct, however both of those schools joined around '13. If CUSA looses a school now and decides to add, I think it would be a SBC school. If we loose a school now, and decide to add, I would guess it would be a FCS school
    CUSA isn't adding if anyone leaves. With the diminishing amounts of TV revenue on a per school basis, subtracting schools will increase their revenue stream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carnold983 View Post
    I didn't mean on our schedule, I meant SBC is the only conference that has been accepting new members that are FCS schools moving up to the FBS
    Yep. And at the time App and Ga So was prbably better than 95% of CUSA.

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    Okay we can say they were exceptional in basketball, but Witchata State moved to AAC this year. Last I recall Charlotte was a non FBS football school accepted to CUSA.


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    Charlotte is FBS now in football. 1-11 last year.

    Several teams get an almost free pass to bowl eligibility with these 3 CUSA teams on schedule this year plus 1 FCS game.
    Charlotte 1-11
    Rice 1-11
    UTEP. 0-12

    4 wins all but guaranteed.....finish 2-6 against the rest & your in a bowl.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Policarp View Post
    Charlotte is FBS now in football. 1-11 last year.

    Several teams get an almost free pass to bowl eligibility with these 3 CUSA teams on schedule this year plus 1 FCS game.
    Charlotte 1-11
    Rice 1-11
    UTEP. 0-12

    4 wins all but guaranteed.....finish 2-6 against the rest & your in a bowl.
    .........Our goals should and hopefully are the AAC or even big 12......are we there in any criterium? Well I would say baseball and softball qualify presently.......facilities other than athletic administration and football stadium.......not sure but with conference revenue we come close to the bottom teams I think......chicken or egg time in that if we make it happen we get there with attendance etc or do we get into a conference and get there......only the former is an option......reports on here show that academically we are very close.......what are the opinions of the Herd???

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    .........Our goals should and hopefully are the AAC or even big 12......are we there in any criterium? Well I would say baseball and softball qualify presently.......facilities other than athletic administration and football stadium.......not sure but with conference revenue we come close to the bottom teams I think......chicken or egg time in that if we make it happen we get there with attendance etc or do we get into a conference and get there......only the former is an option......reports on here show that academically we are very close.......what are the opinions of the Herd???
    Any of the AAC schools with the exception of Tulane would be able to transition to the Big-12 and compete after revenue sharing. Basically, the only difference between schools like Iowa State and Kansas State and Memphis and Houston is conference membership.

    The only things that we have not on an AAC level are what you mentioned, football stadium/admin building and the overall quality of the football program.

    Both of these situatiuons will be resolved in the next 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    Bullseye.

    If we find ourselves in some form of CUSA/SBC mix in 5 years, it would be because we failed in our main objective.

    If the fees were waived, it might be worth it, but I can't stress enough how much we are focusing way higher than that. Trust me when I say that Dr. Mag is not wasting any time thinking about a possible CUSA opening. Like that awesome Foreigner song, that was yesterday.

    Times have changed. People need to wake up and adjust their mindsets.
    Unless an AAC member moves up to a P5 conference, there will not be a spot in that conference available for us (or anybody else). We can aim higher than being a part of some kind of SBC/CUSA remake, but I can see little evidence that another option is going to be available. I'm not trying to be negative, I just don't see any evidence that any of the top G5 programs are going to change anything. The AAC thinks they're already part of a P6. The MWC is no better than the SBC or CUSA. What is it exactly that is supposed to take place that's going to allow for us to elevate ourselves? I want to believe. I just don't see evidence of it anywhere.

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    ... What is it exactly that is supposed to take place that's going to allow for us to elevate ourselves? I want to believe. I just don't see evidence of it anywhere.
    Talk to people who know about TV contracts. 2023 is when the MWC and the AAC contracts get re-negotiated.

    AAC is likely to get a good deal, but if they don't, there is a chance they could split and make 2 "best of" leagues in the Central and Eastern Time Zones. We will be in that mix if it happens.

    MWC is on more shaky ground in regards to TV contracts. The front range schools (Wyoming, Colorado State, Air Force, New Mexico) are not thrilled with the current situation and if the numbers aren't where they want them to be, they will split and make a Mountain/Central league from the western SBC/CUSA schools. We would be in that mix.

    If both the MWC and the AAC like their new deals, the focus then moves to 2 "best of" leagues being formed in the Central and Eastern Time Zones from MAC/CUSA/SBC. We would be in that mix.

    Finally, if none of the above happens, there is the situation where the AAC loses a couple of schools to the Big12. We would be in the mix for replacements.

    This is the current thinking among those who Dr. Maggard is talking to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oiler View Post
    Unless an AAC member moves up to a P5 conference, there will not be a spot in that conference available for us (or anybody else). We can aim higher than being a part of some kind of SBC/CUSA remake, but I can see little evidence that another option is going to be available. I'm not trying to be negative, I just don't see any evidence that any of the top G5 programs are going to change anything. The AAC thinks they're already part of a P6. The MWC is no better than the SBC or CUSA. What is it exactly that is supposed to take place that's going to allow for us to elevate ourselves? I want to believe. I just don't see evidence of it anywhere.
    Dr. Maggard told me himself he does not see any conference realignment that would impact us anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    Talk to people who know about TV contracts. 2023 is when the MWC and the AAC contracts get re-negotiated.

    AAC is likely to get a good deal, but if they don't, there is a chance they could split and make 2 "best of" leagues in the Central and Eastern Time Zones. We will be in that mix if it happens.

    MWC is on more shaky ground in regards to TV contracts. The front range schools (Wyoming, Colorado State, Air Force, New Mexico) are not thrilled with the current situation and if the numbers aren't where they want them to be, they will split and make a Mountain/Central league from the western SBC/CUSA schools. We would be in that mix.

    If both the MWC and the AAC like their new deals, the focus then moves to 2 "best of" leagues being formed in the Central and Eastern Time Zones from MAC/CUSA/SBC. We would be in that mix.

    Finally, if none of the above happens, there is the situation where the AAC loses a couple of schools to the Big12. We would be in the mix for replacements.

    This is the current thinking among those who Dr. Maggard is talking to.
    Do you have sources you trust giving you this view or is this post strictly an opinion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunsmike View Post
    Do you have sources you trust giving you this view or is this post strictly an opinion?
    Let me clarify.

    The scenarios I listed come from someone I trust implicitly on realignment/contract info.

    I assumed that Dr. Maggard is getting similar info.

    Let us also remember that at the end of the day these are opinions. Nothing will be written in stone for a few years. The bottom line is that odds are there will be an opening somewhere for us to improve our situation, and we must keep the momentum going. People, important people, are noticing.

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    I talked to a friend that lives in Hattiesburg yesterday. He's a big time donor and supporter of USM and he said that everybody at USM is extremely unhappy with their current conference situation. He says that the powers that be at USM are doing everything they can to assure themselves of getting the next spot that comes available in the AAC. He also told me that USM has been assured by the AAC itself that if any current AAC member moves to a P6 conference, USM will be the school added as the replacement. When I asked him how confident he is that it would happen that way, he said that he's being told by the people in the know at USM that it's a sure thing. I suppose we'll have to wait to see if what he's being told turns out to be true or not.

    If this ever did happen, the time could be ripe for an airport meeting between the remaining CUSA West members and the SBC West members. The schools that make up CUSA West could be more than ready to break away and form a new, south/southwest based conference. Those schools consist of UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Rice, La Tech, and UAB. They could join UL, Ark State, Troy, and TX State to form a 10 member conference, or we could add MTSU and South Alabama to make it an even 12.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Oiler View Post
    I talked to a friend that lives in Hattiesburg yesterday. He's a big time donor and supporter of USM and he said that everybody at USM is extremely unhappy with their current conference situation. He says that the powers that be at USM are doing everything they can to assure themselves of getting the next spot that comes available in the AAC. He also told me that USM has been assured by the AAC itself that if any current AAC member moves to a P6 conference, USM will be the school added as the replacement. When I asked him how confident he is that it would happen that way, he said that he's being told by the people in the know at USM that it's a sure thing. I suppose we'll have to wait to see if what he's being told turns out to be true or not.

    If this ever did happen, the time could be ripe for an airport meeting between the remaining CUSA West members and the SBC West members. The schools that make up CUSA West could be more than ready to break away and form a new, south/southwest based conference. Those schools consist of UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Rice, La Tech, and UAB. They could join UL, Ark State, Troy, and TX State to form a 10 member conference, or we could add MTSU and South Alabama to make it an even 12.
    More likely NMSU and USA than MTSU and USA in your scenario. Also likely that all the Alabama schools would go East, and a fair chance that stAte would as well. In that case you would have an 8 member conference with the Texas schools, UL, LTU, and NMSU

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oiler View Post
    I talked to a friend that lives in Hattiesburg yesterday. He's a big time donor and supporter of USM and he said that everybody at USM is extremely unhappy with their current conference situation. He says that the powers that be at USM are doing everything they can to assure themselves of getting the next spot that comes available in the AAC. He also told me that USM has been assured by the AAC itself that if any current AAC member moves to a P6 conference, USM will be the school added as the replacement. When I asked him how confident he is that it would happen that way, he said that he's being told by the people in the know at USM that it's a sure thing. I suppose we'll have to wait to see if what he's being told turns out to be true or not.

    If this ever did happen, the time could be ripe for an airport meeting between the remaining CUSA West members and the SBC West members. The schools that make up CUSA West could be more than ready to break away and form a new, south/southwest based conference. Those schools consist of UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Rice, La Tech, and UAB. They could join UL, Ark State, Troy, and TX State to form a 10 member conference, or we could add MTSU and South Alabama to make it an even 12.
    That's why the R1 was so critical but I think the opposite happens p5 cast off bottom feeders and that's what causes reshuffling.

    PAC-12 will be the catalyst

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    Quote Originally Posted by Policarp View Post
    Any move out of Sunbelt needs to be considered.
    Agreed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oiler View Post
    If this ever did happen, the time could be ripe for an airport meeting between the remaining CUSA West members and the SBC West members. The schools that make up CUSA West could be more than ready to break away and form a new, south/southwest based conference. Those schools consist of UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Rice, La Tech, and UAB. They could join UL, Ark State, Troy, and TX State to form a 10 member conference, or we could add MTSU and South Alabama to make it an even 12.

    Logistically how would this work? Who would be in charge of said meeting and how would this even get off the ground?

    I'm not $hi++ing on it. Just trying to figure out how a conference could be born with just ADs in tow... and if realistically any University Presidents would be on board with said move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anhil8tor View Post
    Logistically how would this work? Who would be in charge of said meeting and how would this even get off the ground?

    I'm not $hi++ing on it. Just trying to figure out how a conference could be born with just ADs in tow... and if realistically any University Presidents would be on board with said move.
    I'll repeat what I said some time ago. I wouldn't mind seeing the formation of the SWC to include:

    Louisiana
    Louisiana Tech
    Arkansas State
    N. Texas
    S. Miss
    Rice
    Texas State
    UTSA
    UTEP
    New Mexico State

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