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    Quote Originally Posted by Dad04 View Post
    Has the rehab not gone well? The original prognosis was being game ready May this year, per numerous interviews.

    He did not want to use a year's eligibility on a few innings.
    The leg rehab was the more difficult part from what I understand. That was a fairly invasive surgery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dad04 View Post
    After Sensley, I am now discounting ALL LSU-E stats back to net present D1 value.
    But didn't sensley do very well hitting-wise once he left here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaCajunsFan View Post
    But didn't sensley do very well hitting-wise once he left here?
    He started hitting the ball well about halfway through his senior season while he was still here. From what I heard, he stopped listening to Talbot and started doing his own thing and it worked out pretty well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaCajunsFan View Post
    But didn't sensley do very well hitting-wise once he left here?
    Who cares?

    EDIT: I am interested in players while they are here. If they hit better before they get here AND after they leave, that's a problem, but one we need to factor in.

    We need to find guys hitting over .400, so they can hit .280 while they are here dealing with our systemic deficiencies.

    Excuse the sarcasm, but we got issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dad04 View Post
    Who cares?
    We should care...it's proof of a systemic issue with our coaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    We should care...it's proof of a systemic issue with our coaching.
    See my edit above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    We should care...it's proof of a systemic issue with our coaching.
    One or a few improving after leaving is not enough to prove systemic.

    Diminishing batting averages over several years for majority of players while in the system is all you need to prove systemic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just1More View Post
    He's a stud. And when we play LSU, he has an axe to grind. I think he had some shoulder issues, and they weren't very supportive (if my sources are right). He was simply way too good out of HS to not play well for us. And we need him at 1B.
    This is how I have heard it put - kid has a million dollar swing. He tore his labrum playing football his Junior year in high school. DH'd only towards end of Junior year in HS and hit well. Had to move to first base because of throwing issues his senior year (shoulder still giving issues), but the bat was still a "million dollar swing" He could rake it at the plate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dad04 View Post
    Why? I've watched a bunch of summer woodbat. Everybody was grinding all the games I've watched.

    EDIT: Purely anecdotal. Lucroy played one season summerball during college. He hit .347 in 84 AB after freshman year. Soph year he hit .333 over 200 AB, so maybe....
    I believe everyone, even athletes, are motivated by incentives and summer ball is no different. The pitchers especially don't have anything to play for and aren't focused, under extreme stress nor willing to throw their arms off for a nothing game. They don't have the fans behind them, the scouts aren't really there, no ncaa championships, not getting scholarship offers...it's just play to keep you moving before the real games start. When it comes to the hitters, they don't have any of that added stress to hit the game winning hit, lay down a bunt, get mental fatigued trying to guess the next pitch, take advice from JT...none of that stuff - It's just batting practice. So from my perspective, their performance needs to be discounted quite heavily given the differences between summer and spring ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Finkle View Post
    I believe everyone, even athletes, are motivated by incentives and summer ball is no different. The pitchers especially don't have anything to play for and aren't focused, under extreme stress nor willing to throw their arms off for a nothing game. They don't have the fans behind them, the scouts aren't really there, no ncaa championships, not getting scholarship offers...it's just play to keep you moving before the real games start. When it comes to the hitters, they don't have any of that added stress to hit the game winning hit, lay down a bunt, get mental fatigued trying to guess the next pitch, take advice from JT...none of that stuff - It's just batting practice. So from my perspective, their performance needs to be discounted quite heavily given the differences between summer and spring ball.
    Some of these upper leagues (Cape and Alaska) have the best of all players from all teams. The fact is there are plenty pro scouts at these games because they get to see much of the cream of the crop together in these leagues. Furthermore, those going to these leagues have an end ticket (at least they hope) at the next level, that is why they are there and that is why the scouts go and monitor. Some of these summer leagues are resume builders for the next level draft. Lots to gain by success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunVic View Post
    Some of these upper leagues (Cape and Alaska) have the best of all players from all teams. The fact is there are plenty pro scouts at these games because they get to see much of the cream of the crop together in these leagues. Furthermore, those going to these leagues have an end ticket (at least they hope) at the next level, that is why they are there and that is why the scouts go and monitor. Some of these summer leagues are resume builders for the next level draft. Lots to gain by success.
    This^^. It's not neighborhood stick ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Finkle View Post
    I believe everyone, even athletes, are motivated by incentives and summer ball is no different. The pitchers especially don't have anything to play for and aren't focused, under extreme stress nor willing to throw their arms off for a nothing game. They don't have the fans behind them, the scouts aren't really there, no ncaa championships, not getting scholarship offers...it's just play to keep you moving before the real games start. When it comes to the hitters, they don't have any of that added stress to hit the game winning hit, lay down a bunt, get mental fatigued trying to guess the next pitch, take advice from JT...none of that stuff - It's just batting practice. So from my perspective, their performance needs to be discounted quite heavily given the differences between summer and spring ball.
    Yea, you missed the boat here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRage View Post
    Yea, you missed the boat here.

    Okay, let me bounce this idea. We all agree that most of our guys go to the summer leagues and destroy the competition, right? For instance, all of our hitters perform significantly better than in the regular season - especially the hitters. Now, why is that?

    We agree that the Cape and Alaska leagues are the real deal so let's set those aside and focus exclusively on the rest. A majority of our players go to other leagues outside of the cape so most of the higher averages we all see summer after summer can be sampled from other leagues, fair to say right?

    Now, focusing only on the summer leagues outside of the Cape and Alaska. If you are saying these leagues are high quality, then it might also be safe to assume that the summer leagues are at a minimal a continuation in the skill level of players or possibly better than normal season sample set, right? I agree with you here as well, the talent pool is better. (rhetorical here, just some discourse for sake of exchanging ideas) Then, if the summer league is so similar (or even better) as far as the skill level goes, then, again, why do our guys play better in the summer in the spring? If the assumption is that the spring and summer are more or less the same, then it would be safe to assume that the only difference could be attributed to a single variable. That variable being JT - doesn't stick. I want the guy gone, but I don't believe he is the single factor. Given that I believe it is a multivariate relation as to why the players perform better in the summer than in the fall, I attribute my reasons in my previous post as the reasons why (obviously). None of my reasons have to do with the level of talent, only environmental factors.

    I can agree that the level of talent is for real, but with different environments, the game not meaning anything, lack of pressure, etc - I can see why the play better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Finkle View Post
    Okay, let me bounce this idea. We all agree that most of our guys go to the summer leagues and destroy the competition, right? For instance, all of our hitters perform significantly better than in the regular season - especially the hitters. Now, why is that?

    We agree that the Cape and Alaska leagues are the real deal so let's set those aside and focus exclusively on the rest. A majority of our players go to other leagues outside of the cape so most of the higher averages we all see summer after summer can be sampled from other leagues, fair to say right?

    Now, focusing only on the summer leagues outside of the Cape and Alaska. If you are saying these leagues are high quality, then it might also be safe to assume that the summer leagues are at a minimal a continuation in the skill level of players or possibly better than normal season sample set, right? (rhetorical here, just some discourse for sake of exchanging ideas) Then, if the summer league is so similar (or even better) as far as the skill level goes, then, again, why do our guys play better in the summer in the spring? If the assumption is that the spring and summer are more or less the same, then it would be safe to assume that the only difference could be attributed to a single variable. That variable being JT - doesn't stick. I want the guy gone, but I don't believe he is the single factor. Given that I believe it is a multivariate relation as to why the players perform better in the summer than in the fall, I attribute my reasons in my previous post as the reasons why.

    Well, I refuse to believe that the only reason the guys go to the summer league and clean up is because JT is not at third base. That's crazy and could never be proven. There has to be multiple reasons to explain the difference between the performance in summer league and spring. If you can
    JT is the one and only reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRage View Post
    JT is the one and only reason.
    Lack of pressure, allows the player to feel the game.

    If the coach has you "thinking" to much, you can't feel the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    Lack of pressure, allows the player to feel the game.

    If the coach has you "thinking" to much, you can't feel the game.
    A good coach let's you feel the game. Nothing to do with summer spring or fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRage View Post
    A good coach let's you feel the game. Nothing to do with summer spring or fall.
    Define "nothing to do."

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRage View Post
    JT is the one and only reason.
    This and this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Finkle View Post
    Okay, let me bounce this idea. We all agree that most of our guys go to the summer leagues and destroy the competition, right? For instance, all of our hitters perform significantly better than in the regular season - especially the hitters. Now, why is that?

    We agree that the Cape and Alaska leagues are the real deal so let's set those aside and focus exclusively on the rest. A majority of our players go to other leagues outside of the cape so most of the higher averages we all see summer after summer can be sampled from other leagues, fair to say right?

    Now, focusing only on the summer leagues outside of the Cape and Alaska. If you are saying these leagues are high quality, then it might also be safe to assume that the summer leagues are at a minimal a continuation in the skill level of players or possibly better than normal season sample set, right? I agree with you here as well, the talent pool is better. (rhetorical here, just some discourse for sake of exchanging ideas) Then, if the summer league is so similar (or even better) as far as the skill level goes, then, again, why do our guys play better in the summer in the spring? If the assumption is that the spring and summer are more or less the same, then it would be safe to assume that the only difference could be attributed to a single variable. That variable being JT - doesn't stick. I want the guy gone, but I don't believe he is the single factor. Given that I believe it is a multivariate relation as to why the players perform better in the summer than in the fall, I attribute my reasons in my previous post as the reasons why (obviously). None of my reasons have to do with the level of talent, only environmental factors.

    I can agree that the level of talent is for real, but with different environments, the game not meaning anything, lack of pressure, etc - I can see why the play better.
    The games are very meaningful, or they wouldn't be there. We'll agree to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dad04 View Post
    The games are very meaningful, or they wouldn't be there. We'll agree to disagree.
    I dont disagree, with either one of you. Meaningful yes.

    Still less stressful playing the game you love, compared to squeezing it between your college curriculum.

    Less stress = less pressure.
    Less pressure = feel the game.

    Of course it helps if the coach can feel the game.

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