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    I'm in that number, Mike. While I'm not satisfied and want continued improvment - from scheduling to results... I think scheduling is much more difficult than any of us can fathom. No "good" teams want to come here and take a loss. We are traditionally tough to beat at home and many refuse to play us here for that reason. I do see steady improvement (after hitting the reset button twice in early years). I believe Coach Marlin is doing it the right way and the quality young men coming through the program are evidence of that. Going forward, I think he continues to improve, although, replacing Stove, Washington, and Bartley will be no easy task.

    My expectation is to compete for the conference regular season and tournament championship EVERY year - top 3 or 4 should be a realistic expectation every year. I would like to make the NCAA tournament at least once every 3 years, but I could live with 1 in 5 years under the current circumstances of having to win the tournament to get in as long as at least 1 in 5 ends in an NIT bid. So - at least one NCAA and one NIT appearance every 5 years. I think that is a realistic MINIMUM expectation for this program at this point. Do I want more than that. Yes. But, trying to be realistic. I would be thrilled with NCAA every year or every other year - but that is not going to happen any time soon - regardless of who our head coach is.
    The low level of expectations among people I know to be real fans baffles me. Middle Tennessee has 5 titles in the last 8 years, and multiple wins in both the NCAA and the NIT. If it can happen for them, it can happen for us, but we, as fans, have to demand results for it to happen here.

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    Mike, when the man uses lack of funding as a reason for not buying a quality home game, then forks over 50k to play in a bogus tournament, something is not congruent. I don't trust him on scheduling matters. There is a new sheriff in town, so that may improve. You do trust him in that regard, and I understand that.

    My major complaint is his inability to beat quality teams at an acceptable rate. 54-85 against the top 200 RPI is putrid when you are being paid more than any other coach in the conference. One title and one tournament title in 8 years is not acceptable. An average finish of 4th in a conference as putrid as the Sun Belt is not acceptable. A road record below 40% is not acceptable.

    The big concern for those who strongly support the staff should be whether he can start winning against good teams and winning more on the road, if scheduling improves.

    The 50 grand to Savannah State was part of the Cayman's Islands tournament. Not sure how that ties in but I know it was part of the deal. Agree we need to win more a title more than 25% of the time. Those are legitimate concerns and we will see next season if this year was an anomaly or if progress will continue. As far as the new sheriff in town goes, he supports the staff more than most fans and he believes the scheduling problems are real.

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    Anyone expressing dissatisfaction with Marlin "right now" has terrible, terrible timing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    Anyone expressing dissatisfaction with Marlin "right now" has terrible, terrible timing.
    I understand the concerns voiced by some. As many have pointed out, the NCAA tournament is the only thing that matters in college basketball these days. Therefore the timing of those concerns being raised makes a lot of sense as we once again did not get there. Now I also think many people who only pay attention now don't realize how the health situation of Gant and Stove impacted this. Our depth is good but not to the extent of having your rim protector and the best sixth man in years basically unavailable. We will never know if things would have been different with a better health situation but I firmly believe they would have been. Also, as this has played out I have come to strongly believe the lock out on mid major at large bids is directly responsible for declining basketball interest in this region. In the long run, that will hurt all of college basketball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    Anyone expressing dissatisfaction with Marlin "right now" has terrible, terrible timing.
    Just in the past week we have had posters discussing the "firing" of Glasco and Marlin. It must be a virus that has continued from the 4th quarter of 2017. Really sad state of affairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunVic View Post
    Just in the past week we have had posters discussing the "firing" of Glasco and Marlin. It must be a virus that has continued from the 4th quarter of 2017. Really sad state of affairs.
    No one wants to fire Marlin many just don't want his contract renewed

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunProud View Post
    I don't know if that's exactly how I would do it, but I would agree with the general premise.

    He has had 8 years and 2 NBA first rounders with only 1 NCAA appearance and 1 conference regular season championship to show for his efforts. Up to this point, I would equate him to Ricky Bustle and Mark Hudspeth in that they were the right guys for the job at the time they were hired, but the job outgrew them. If he can't beat LSU, or at least be very competitive in the game, then we thank him for his contribution to the program and move on.
    Really Lannister? "Thank him for his contribution to the program and move on"

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    Quote Originally Posted by VObserver View Post
    The low level of expectations among people I know to be real fans baffles me. Middle Tennessee has 5 titles in the last 8 years, and multiple wins in both the NCAA and the NIT. If it can happen for them, it can happen for us, but we, as fans, have to demand results for it to happen here.
    Our basketball core fan base is not committed to winning. They are committed to enjoying themselves. As long as we win "enough", no one will rock the boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunVic View Post
    Really Lannister? "Thank him for his contribution to the program and move on"
    Literally one person posted that. One.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajun_lannister View Post
    No one wants to fire Marlin many just don't want his contract renewed
    Contract has at least two years and likely three remaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    Literally one person posted that. One.
    And he said "no one wants to fire marlin". Thanks for the affirmation MAT

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunVic View Post
    And he said "no one wants to fire marlin". Thanks for the affirmation MAT
    Oh c'mon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunsmike View Post
    Contract has at least two years and likely three remaining.
    March 31st, 2020 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunsmike View Post
    Contract has at least two years and likely three remaining.
    Mike, if scheduling and road performance doesnt improve next year, there will be significant pressure from fans. Maybe not enough to get Marlin fired, but a decade with the results we have had is way more rope than any coach deserves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajun_lannister View Post
    March 31st, 2020 ?
    Either that or March of 2021 if he got the extension I believe he did for winning the regular season title. If that happened it was part of the previous contract. Now he may be paid through June of those years as the school fiscal year may go from July 1 to July 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunVic View Post
    Really Lannister? "Thank him for his contribution to the program and move on"
    Unless things change its good to put pressure on coaches.. you never want your HC comfortable

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunVic View Post
    Really Lannister? "Thank him for his contribution to the program and move on"
    Yep. If he can't beat LSU or at least be competitive, then I would start a search Thursday morning. Sorry that my high expectations for the program disappoint you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunsmike View Post
    Either that or March of 2021 if he got the extension I believe he did for winning the regular season title. If that happened it was part of the previous contract. Now he may be paid through June of those years as the school fiscal year may go from July 1 to July 1.
    Gotcha thanks

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    Mike, if scheduling and road performance doesnt improve next year, there will be significant pressure from fans. Maybe not enough to get Marlin fired, but a decade with the results we have had is way more rope than any coach deserves.
    Scheduling will likely not be much different as we are required to go to SLU, UNO, and McNeese as part of agreed to contracts. I expect SLU to be strong again in the SLC as their coach has been building his program. In fact, they came out ahead of SFA for the SLC regular season title and lost a nail biter in the conference championship game. La Tech comes here and that is the only non conference home game scheduled as of now. We are trying to get into an exempt tournament to give us the opportunity to play power schools on a neutral court. I bet we play two money road games in addition to those. Other than that, I can't comment on what is planned. As far as pressure from fans go, a championship in either the regular season or tournament will negate other factors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunProud View Post
    Yep. If he can't beat LSU or at least be competitive, then I would start a search Thursday morning. Sorry that my high expectations for the program disappoint you.
    No one's opinion disappoints me as we all have a right to one and the freedom to express it. However, even if we get blown out Wednesday that thought won't even cross the minds of the people in charge.

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