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    Quote Originally Posted by ragincajun10 View Post
    You sound like someone who wasn't at the game last night. I'm here to tell you, there was 4,900 actual butts in the seats and the place was absolutely packed.

    Nobody is quitting on this team and fans are still showing up in droves. Quit with the lies about "not enough people care anymore."
    Speaking of last night, the crowd was just waiting for ANYTHING to happen, so they could explode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunAmos View Post
    Same pitcher we saw last week held LSU to 1 run through 7 innings.
    Being inept offensively, with 3 different teams, falls on the coach. Being inept on the bases, with 3 different teams, falls on the coach. Consistently missing on recruits after 3 offseasons, falls on the coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    Being inept offensively, with 3 different teams, falls on the coach. Being inept on the bases, with 3 different teams, falls on the coach. Consistently missing on recruits after 3 offseasons, falls on the coach.
    I agree with all three, but the third one is up for question as we weren't the only team who thought a number of these prospects would be very good D1 players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunAmos View Post
    I agree with all three, but the third one is up for question as we weren't the only team who thought a number of these prospects would be very good D1 players.
    Oh no, I don't think we missed on players. I was just stating that so that people who want to say "it's on the players" can't cop out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonCajun View Post
    In addition to taking us down, SE Louisiana just knocked off LSU, beating them for the first time. They also beat UConn earlier this year.
    That was not SLU's first time beating LSU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    With Hud, we all had a pretty good idea what was up with him, once we saw multiple years of abject failure, that he was unfit as a head coach. We know that isn't the case with Tony. The man has been doing this for decades. If we have a sharp downturn, especially in the area we all know he isn't concentrating on, it's highly plausible he is just ignoring it for the most part, until it becomes a big enough issue. That's magnified with the continued employment of Talbot.

    Honestly, I have a beginning for my theory. 2013. When he hired Babineaux as an associate head coach. We've had really good success, but we constantly make simple errors running the basepaths, and we've had a penchant for small ball. I've been following the team since I was in college in the mid 2000's. And I've noticed a difference since Babineaux got the promotion.
    Interesting story. In 2013, when Deggs first came on, he told Robe to "keep that guy away from my hitters". The person he was speaking of was Bab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rougarou View Post
    Interesting story. In 2013, when Deggs first came on, he told Robe to "keep that guy away from my hitters". The person he was speaking of was Bab.
    Interesting indeed. Was this previously known information?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rougarou View Post
    Interesting story. In 2013, when Deggs first came on, he told Robe to "keep that guy away from my hitters". The person he was speaking of was Bab.
    Are you at liberty to add anymore context to that tidbit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    Are you at liberty to add anymore context to that tidbit?
    I don't have much more. And I don't know if that attitude changed throughout the two years Deggs was here. I don't know if Deggs is like that at every stop (that he only wants he and his guys having anything to do with hitters). So, I should have added in my previous post that I don't know if it had anything to do with Bab personally, or Deggs would have had the same attitude regarding any coach.

    However, the source that told me that gave me the impression that Deggs did not want Bab coaching his hitters.

    I know Deggs told Robe he wanted full authority over the offense prior to taking the job. Edit: which I took to mean he even wanted Robe to back up from anything offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    Could speak to our hitting abilities during the Deggs years, especially if he kept Babs away from the hitters. I honestly think in 2013 Robe turned over everything but pitching to Babineaux...and that's one of the main reasons why we struggle so mightily. I don't want Babineaux to run ____...I want Robicheaux to run ____.
    My information is that 2013 Bab took over scheduling and logistics (i.e. traveling accommodations, etc.). Bab was another set of eyes as far as coaching baseball and would assist where needed. I think Robe turned more administrative stuff to Bab in 2013 as opposed to anything purely baseball. I know in 2013 Bab still was taking part in recruiting too.

    My understanding is that Robe has always been deferential to our hitting coach (i.e. Simoneaux, Schef, Deggs, and Talbot). Robe would of course have final authority on lineups (with the exception of Deggs, but I am not certain), but the hitting coach would overall run the hitting program with Robe overseeing. Even at present as far as I know. When hitting isn't good, Robe has stepped in and taken over certain aspects of hitting. I know in 2016 for a certain period of time, he started making calls from the dug out as far as bunts, steals, squeeze plays. I have the feeling that since Talbot has been here, Robe has taken more control of the day-to-day lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    Deggs wouldn't say that...if he was only given schedule and logistics duties.
    If Bab could not be as involved in the offense as much as previous, Robe gave him something else. Plus, in my post early I indicated Bab assists where needed regarding pure baseball stuff. Bab's background is as a position player and hitter. So he takes more part in those activities. But he has never been in charge of the hitting. That is for the hitting coach. When Deggs showed up with Harvell, he did not want Bab involved in that I believe.

    But Bab did have the scheduling and logistics duties I know that for a fact. Did he only just get them in 2013, I don't know. But I know at least since 2013 Bab did have scheduling and logistics duties.

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    The offensive production is down. That we know. Digging deeper than batting average tells a story.

    2017 Cajuns had a batting average of .266, versus 2017 .172, a 35% drop. On base percentage this year is .245 versus .357 in 2017, a 31% drop. Last year we walked once every 8.4 AB's. In 2018 we are walking once every 10.9 AB's.

    Hit by Pitches is even worse. In 2017 we got hit by pitches every 36 AB's. This year we have 3 hit by pitches in 239 AB's, once every 80 AB's, less than half the rate last year.

    Slugging% is down from .395 last year to an anemic .247, a 37% drop in power. We have 3 HR's, once every 80 AB's. in 2017 we hit 41 HR's, once every 47 AB's. Nobody accused the 2017 Cajuns of massive power.

    Not only are we not hitting the ball, we are not walking nearly enough, getting hit by pitches, or hitting with any power. We are running a little better with 11 stolen bases, more than one per game. In 2017 we only stole 46 bases in 55 games. Getting on base would help the running game, obviously.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ragincajun10 View Post
    You sound like someone who wasn't at the game last night. I'm here to tell you, there was 4,900 actual butts in the seats and the place was absolutely packed.

    Nobody is quitting on this team and fans are still showing up in droves. Quit with the lies about "not enough people care anymore."
    I was talking about the basketball game. Someone said they were going to skip the baseball in Houston on Saturday to be at the Dome to watch Senior Night. My comment was meant to compliment him but throw out the caveat that not enough people care about basketball anymore to reach the attendance of the old days. Sorry for bringing that up in a baseball thread. I know many have gravitated to that sport in recent years due to post season success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunsmike View Post
    I was talking about the basketball game. Someone said they were going to skip the baseball in Houston on Saturday to be at the Dome to watch Senior Night. My comment was meant to compliment him but throw out the caveat that not enough people care about basketball anymore to reach the attendance of the old days. Sorry for bringing that up in a baseball thread. I know many have gravitated to that sport in recent years due to post season success.
    If things keep on like they are, maybe more might start following Basketball.

    MY 2 cents (FWIW) I think Coach Robe needs to make a decision. Does he want to coach college baseball or does he want to preach. Don't get me wrong, I love how he handles the young men while they are here. They definitely, leave better people then what they were when they got here. But on field performance has suffered these past several years and something is definitely wrong or something has changed. For sure 2 and 2 are not adding up to 4 on the baseball team. I used to enjoy listening to the games while working in my yard, it's not that way any more.

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    These are our records for the past 5 years
    43-20
    58-10
    42-23
    43-21
    35-21
    If you look at Robes career the 58-10 was a huge outlier. What we have done since Bab took over day to day duties is have the most successful 5 year fun in our history. If you look further you will see Robe coached teams have had 7 seasons with 30 or fewer wins. Even when you take out the first two years when he had to completely rebuild the program, he still had 7 seasons worse than last year. Yes we are struggling at the plate but it is way to early to say we are in decline or that we have a coach who is not 100% committed. Just a little perspective.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rougarou View Post
    Interesting story. In 2013, when Deggs first came on, he told Robe to "keep that guy away from my hitters". The person he was speaking of was Bab.
    Multiple voices should be avoided at all cost.

    A singular message is crucial.

    Split learning time between bunting and hitting can have a similar confusing result.

    There are no perfect answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetryCajun View Post
    These are our records for the past 5 years
    43-20
    58-10
    42-23
    43-21
    35-21
    If you look at Robes career the 58-10 was a huge outlier. What we have done since Bab took over day to day duties is have the most successful 5 year fun in our history. If you look further you will see Robe coached teams have had 7 seasons with 30 or fewer wins. Even when you take out the first two years when he had to completely rebuild the program, he still had 7 seasons worse than last year. Yes we are struggling at the plate but it is way to early to say we are in decline or that we have a coach who is not 100% committed. Just a little perspective.
    What is your history with baseball? Honest question.

    Simply pointing to record does not tell the story of hitting trends. We have declined in almost every measurable statistic the last 3 years. I agree that it's early and baseball is a funny game, but you can't possibly say that this team is showing signs of being an improved offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    Small sample size yields poor perspective.
    I counter with Malcolm Gladwell's book Blink.
    It shats all over the notion of large sample size and even lays out a compelling case as to why small sample sizes can actually be more accurate when judging things. Initial eye test, instinct, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    What is your history with baseball? Honest question.

    Simply pointing to record does not tell the story of hitting trends. We have declined in almost every measurable statistic the last 3 years. I agree that it's early and baseball is a funny game, but you can't possibly say that this team is showing signs of being an improved offense.
    Did I say we are showing signs? We are showing nothing on offense. I am just pointing out historical trends. I have followed UL baseball since 88 and am probably more critical than most fans. I Just know that we have a well respected program that can compete with the elite of college baseball year in and year out. What else could we ask for and what other men's program can we say that about? If football or basketball were even close to as good as baseball everyone here would be spooging on themselves. Yes, the lack of hitting is becoming a trend, but history has told us that Robe can right the ship. Looking forward to this weekend!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelmutVII View Post
    If things keep on like they are, maybe more might start following Basketball.

    MY 2 cents (FWIW) I think Coach Robe needs to make a decision. Does he want to coach college baseball or does he want to preach. Don't get me wrong, I love how he handles the young men while they are here. They definitely, leave better people then what they were when they got here. But on field performance has suffered these past several years and something is definitely wrong or something has changed. For sure 2 and 2 are not adding up to 4 on the baseball team. I used to enjoy listening to the games while working in my yard, it's not that way any more.
    The basketball team deserves more support regardless of what baseball does. I heard some people at basketball tonight who also have baseball tickets comment they won't go as frequently until some hits come off the bat. Baseball still has a long way to go. Too early to write them off. However the concern is valid.

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