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    Does anyone know any specifics on how Talbot is allegedly making this too complicated or messing up these hitters? Is it all just self-defeating low expectations at this point? What is the issue?


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    Quote Originally Posted by cajun_lannister View Post
    Doubt it we keep telling ourselves that but Robe will just take up for Talbot "It was a young Class."

    Only way we get a change is if we put pressure on him to do so
    Well it is a young class. You saw Faecher hit the ball hard last night. You've seen flashes from Hayden. Windham has had a few good ABs. But overall, too many basic things are going wrong. I refuse to believe our kids "miss signs" that often. I refuse to believe, all of a sudden we can't run the bases effectively. (Or even stand next to a base for the matter).

    Too many obvious things are happening. Kids don't trust him, don't like him and don't play for him. Very HUD-like in that regard.

    We constantly talk about Deggs. Biggest difference with Deggs was, kids loved him, trusted him and played their asses off for him. Opposite of what we're seeing now under Talbot.

    I'll also never forget the "you don't have ballplayers here. I'll go get you some." Comment.. (I think someone reminded the board of that recently)..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rougarou View Post
    The players went in to the game last night thinking that this would be the game when the bats wake up. And the bats were worse than on Sunday. These guys come into our program knowing how to hit. For example, Monroe Moll batted .429 with 45 home runs in high school that played other competitive high schools. Todd Lott was drafted in the 19th round solelyfor his hitting ability and would have been drafted higher if he was more sign-able.

    At this point I would almost rather no hitting coach and let these guys step in the box and do what they know how to do. Clean the slate on approach and start fresh.
    Look at some the programs that offered the last two classes, these kids weren't over hyped. They are not responding to what they are being taught. That is a trust issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    Well it is a young class. You saw Faecher hit the ball hard last night. You've seen flashes from Hayden. Windham has had a few good ABs. But overall, too many basic things are going wrong. I refuse to believe our kids "miss signs" that often. I refuse to believe, all of a sudden we can't run the bases effectively. (Or even stand next to a base for the matter).

    Too many obvious things are happening. Kids don't trust him, don't like him and don't play for him. Very HUD-like in that regard.

    We constantly talk about Deggs. Biggest difference with Deggs was, kids loved him, trusted him and played their asses off for him. Opposite of what we're seeing now under Talbot.

    I'll also never forget the "you don't have ballplayers here. I'll go get you some." Comment.. (I think someone reminded the board of that recently)..
    Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    Well it is a young class. You saw Faecher hit the ball hard last night. You've seen flashes from Hayden. Windham has had a few good ABs. But overall, too many basic things are going wrong. I refuse to believe our kids "miss signs" that often. I refuse to believe, all of a sudden we can't run the bases effectively. (Or even stand next to a base for the matter).

    Too many obvious things are happening. Kids don't trust him, don't like him and don't play for him. Very HUD-like in that regard.

    We constantly talk about Deggs. Biggest difference with Deggs was, kids loved him, trusted him and played their asses off for him. Opposite of what we're seeing now under Talbot.

    I'll also never forget the "you don't have ballplayers here. I'll go get you some." Comment.. (I think someone reminded the board of that recently)..
    Bottom line...they are poorly coached. That should not fall on Talbot's head. He isn't the head coach. Same as when all the defensive coordinators were fall guys for Hud. At the end we knew it was that Hud couldn't hack it. I don't have that same question about Robe. We know for a fact he can. But he isn't giving 100% to the team...or these issues wouldn't be happening. We shouldn't have to do this crap every year.

    But...everyone will place the blame on Talbot, and on the next one Robe hires. Coaches beyond reproach are bad for everyone involved...except the coach beyond reproach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    Bottom line...they are poorly coached. That should not fall on Talbot's head. He isn't the head coach. Same as when all the defensive coordinators were fall guys for Hud. At the end we knew it was that Hud couldn't hack it. I don't have that same question about Robe. We know for a fact he can. But he isn't giving 100% to the team...or these issues wouldn't be happening. We shouldn't have to do this crap every year.

    But...everyone will place the blame on Talbot, and on the next one Robe hires. Coaches beyond reproach are bad for everyone involved...except the coach beyond reproach.
    I get what you're saying. But Robe is not exactly 0'fer on hitting coach hires.

    And the thing is, Robe is the opposite of a micromanager. He hires people that he believes in and let's them coach. Which I'm obviously a supporter of.

    On paper, Talbot was the correct hire. I don't fault the hire at all. What I'm complaining about is the lack of someone to acknowledge the failure of the hire and move on from the hire. It's obvious to anyone watching this team where the problems are. Another thing that I don't like is that the players aren't being asked what's going on. Especially in baseball, I feel that player input is crucial. Also allowing players to feel like their opinion matters would fix that whole 'trust' issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    I get what you're saying. But Robe is not exactly 0'fer on hitting coach hires.

    And the thing is, Robe is the opposite of a micromanager. He hires people that he believes in and let's them coach. Which I'm obviously a supporter of.

    On paper, Talbot was the correct hire. I don't fault the hire at all. What I'm complaining about is the lack of someone to acknowledge the failure of the hire and move on from the hire. It's obvious to anyone watching this team where the problems are. Another thing that I don't like is that the players aren't being asked what's going on. Especially in baseball, I feel that player input is crucial. Also allowing players to feel like their opinion matters would fix that whole 'trust' issue.
    Will you be a supporter of it, if the next hire is a dud, and we go 4-6 years without a regional birth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    Will you be a supporter of it, if the next hire is a dud, and we go 4-6 years without a regional birth?
    I'll never support a micro manager. Doesn't work in business and doesn't work in sports, past the middle school level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    I'll never support a micro manager. Doesn't work in business and doesn't work in sports, past the middle school level.
    Not a micromanager, but the laissez faire, let the coaches coach, and being as hands off as possible? If the current model continues, how long will it take for obvious to be made brutally obvious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    Not a micromanager, but the laissez faire, let the coaches coach, and being as hands off as possible? If the current model continues, how long will it take for obvious to be made brutally obvious?
    I'm definitely not suggesting anything with this comment but Robe's contract is up at the end of this year (or next, can't remember exactly). Tony knows what he's got here now, and what he's got left in the tank. If he feels like this team is a total rebuild, maybe he hangs 'em up.

    If what you're thinking is true, and he's just running out of steam, that could certainly be the case. I don't believe he's riding the clock though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    I'm definitely not suggesting anything with this comment but Robe's contract is up at the end of this year (or next, can't remember exactly). Tony knows what he's got here now, and what he's got left in the tank. If he feels like this team is a total rebuild, maybe he hangs 'em up.

    If what you're thinking is true, and he's just running out of steam, that could certainly be the case. I don't believe he's riding the clock though.
    I wouldn't think he'd want to retire until the new locker room facility is complete, but that's just me.

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    Most people who participate here and are in town will likely attend. Problem is there are not enough of the general folk who care any longer and I am not sure much can be done about that. We do and will continue to draw better than the great majority of the other southern mid majors however.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lifetimecajun View Post
    Or getting fisted on a 85 mph fastball down the middle of plate.
    I am from Thibodaux and follow Nicholls sports closely. I happen to know the startIng pitcher for Nicholls really well and he pitched an amazing game. I spoke to him after the game last night and he said, "man, I couldn't understand why they were so late on my fastball. I was only throwing it in the mid 80's. It looked like they couldn't catch up to it so we used the fast ball all night"

    I'm here to tell you, if we can't hit a fast ball coming at 85mph, then we are in bigger trouble then everyone thinks.

    But, I will tell you this. Nicholls starter(Jake) is a big time competitor and reminds me a lot of Dmo 2 years ago. He's a pretty good pitcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UL_BayouCajun View Post
    I am from Thibodaux and follow Nicholls sports closely. I happen to know the startIng pitcher for Nicholls really well and he pitched an amazing game. I spoke to him after the game last night and he said, "man, I couldn't understand why they were so late on my fastball. I was only throwing it in the mid 80's. It looked like they couldn't catch up to it so we used the fast ball all night"

    I'm here to tell you, if we can't hit a fast ball coming at 85mph, then we are in bigger trouble then everyone thinks.

    But, I will tell you this. Nicholls starter(Jake) is a big time competitor and reminds me a lot of Dmo 2 years ago. He's a pretty good pitcher.
    If you can't hit an 85 mph FB with little to no movement, you shouldn't be playing college baseball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    I'm definitely not suggesting anything with this comment but Robe's contract is up at the end of this year (or next, can't remember exactly). Tony knows what he's got here now, and what he's got left in the tank. If he feels like this team is a total rebuild, maybe he hangs 'em up.

    If what you're thinking is true, and he's just running out of steam, that could certainly be the case. I don't believe he's riding the clock though.
    With Hud, we all had a pretty good idea what was up with him, once we saw multiple years of abject failure, that he was unfit as a head coach. We know that isn't the case with Tony. The man has been doing this for decades. If we have a sharp downturn, especially in the area we all know he isn't concentrating on, it's highly plausible he is just ignoring it for the most part, until it becomes a big enough issue. That's magnified with the continued employment of Talbot.

    Honestly, I have a beginning for my theory. 2013. When he hired Babineaux as an associate head coach. We've had really good success, but we constantly make simple errors running the basepaths, and we've had a penchant for small ball. I've been following the team since I was in college in the mid 2000's. And I've noticed a difference since Babineaux got the promotion.

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    Hitting takes time to improve and it doesn't look like it's getting any better any time soon. Sure the hitting coach is probably at fault but he's not at the plate. These guys aren't just hitting about average. They are catastrophic


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunsmike View Post
    Most people who participate here and are in town will likely attend. Problem is there are not enough of the general folk who care any longer and I am not sure much can be done about that. We do and will continue to draw better than the great majority of the other southern mid majors however.
    You sound like someone who wasn't at the game last night. I'm here to tell you, there was 4,900 actual butts in the seats and the place was absolutely packed.

    Nobody is quitting on this team and fans are still showing up in droves. Quit with the lies about "not enough people care anymore."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragincajun10 View Post
    You sound like someone who wasn't at the game last night. I'm here to tell you, there was 4,900 actual butts in the seats and the place was absolutely packed.

    Nobody is quitting on this team and fans are still showing up in droves. Quit with the lies about "not enough people care anymore."
    I think he may have been talking about basketball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunT View Post
    Look at some the programs that offered the last two classes, these kids weren't over hyped. They are not responding to what they are being taught. That is a trust issue.
    Heard that from most of the players the last two seasons he tries to get too-technical too much thinking going on

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    Quote Originally Posted by TjCajun View Post
    Heard that from most of the players the last two seasons he tries to get too-technical too much thinking going on
    Seems like he (Talbot) would/could change his approach based on that feedback.

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