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    So what would happen if for example four quote, unquote mid majors were represented in the top 25? Would either ranking be undesirable?

    By the way, regardless of an arbitrary and fictional poll Middle Tennessee is still a mid major whose ranked in the top 25 this week.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    The two are not mutually exclusive.

    If you are first or second in the mid-major polls, the other polls will take note and you will get votes.

    As far as recruiting we are looking at opposite scenarios. I'm talking about the late bloomer.
    They still should have visited that school in years past and have a presence. You don't go to schools only when they have a kid, that's not how you build relationships and certainly not a smart way to recruit. Which might explain a lot. If a kid doesn't know who we are it's not because we didn't retweet the mid major poll...which they would have to know who we are to see the tweet, Im not asking the coaches request to be removed, stop embracing the label.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycajun View Post
    They still should have visited that school in years past and have a presence. You don't go to schools only when they have a kid, that's not how you build relationships and certainly not a smart way to recruit. Which might explain a lot. If a kid doesn't know who we are it's not because we didn't retweet the mid major poll...which they would have to know who we are to see the tweet, Im not asking the coaches request to be removed, stop embracing the label.
    Talked to Dr. Maggard about this tonight. He thinks publicizing our standing in the mid major poll is fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunsmike View Post
    Talked to Dr. Maggard about this tonight. He thinks publicizing our standing in the mid major poll is fine.
    That's cool, i disagree, i can't make him be right. Hopefully he learns from mistakes. Acknowledging a poll that thinks we are below CUSA is a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycajun View Post
    They still should have visited that school in years past and have a presence. You don't go to schools only when they have a kid, that's not how you build relationships and certainly not a smart way to recruit. Which might explain a lot. If a kid doesn't know who we are it's not because we didn't retweet the mid major poll...which they would have to know who we are to see the tweet, Im not asking the coaches request to be removed, stop embracing the label.
    You might be thinking of a school with a $100 mil budget that can afford to scout schools with no talent.

    Alvin Dark didn't even know that 4 MLB scouts were watching him when he played at UL.

    He didn't know, but it was reported in the Vermilion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycajun View Post
    That's cool, i disagree, i can't make him be right. Hopefully he learns from mistakes. Acknowledging a poll that thinks we are below CUSA is a joke.
    As we type UL is changing what they think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycajun View Post
    It's a collective effort by the "bigger programs" to shut us out and we are assisting them by acknowledging it.
    Its good publicity. So, are we supposed to not acknowledge it? Being amongst the best mid major programs when there are so many in the country is not really a bad thing. The "poll" is not going anywhere. It will continue to be published and pushed. I can see it now, we refuse to acknowledge it and so many of our fans claim the school is not doing everything it can to push our brand and accomplishments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    You might be thinking of a school with a $100 mil budget that can afford to scout schools with no talent.

    Alvin Dark didn't even know that 4 MLB scouts were watching him when he played at UL.

    He didn't know, but it was reported in the Vermilion.
    No I'm not, these coaches recruit on relationships and you aren't gonna keep many relationships stopping by every 4 or 5 years or only when they have a kid. You will be late to the party every time. Budget has nothing to do with it except for how far you go and if you get there in a rental car or private plane. Less budget is smaller radius, more driving and crappier hotels, less expensive meals.

    Did you really just reference a guy being recruited in the 1940's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr View Post
    Its good publicity. So, are we supposed to not acknowledge it? Being amongst the best mid major programs when there are so many in the country is not really a bad thing. The "poll" is not going anywhere. It will continue to be published and pushed. I can see it now, we refuse to acknowledge it and so many of our fans claim the school is not doing everything it can to push our brand and accomplishments.
    It doesn't even know which conferences are mid major, why would anyone put any stock in that? If our AD would come out and say " we aren't going to be labeled a mid-major, we are trying to build a championship program in every sport, nothing mid-major about what we are trying to accomplish here" i don't think one fan would be upset about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    As we type UL is changing what they think.
    Nobody should care what they think is my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycajun View Post
    No I'm not, these coaches recruit on relationships and you aren't gonna keep many relationships stopping by every 4 or 5 years or only when they have a kid. You will be late to the party every time. Budget has nothing to do with it except for how far you go and if you get there in a rental car or private plane. Less budget is smaller radius, more driving and crappier hotels, less expensive meals.

    Did you really just reference a guy being recruited in the 1940's?
    1940's or 2020 kids don't see things clearly until the situation confronts them head on and even then they just accept it as the norm.

    Alvin Dark wrote his autobiography not knowing how he was discovered.

    Coaches develop recruiting relationships with other (HS) coaches, they don't develop relationships with non performing high school athletes.

    When you have a late bloomer you don't want your newly directed attention to be spent creating awareness. If you can help it.

    Being highly ranked in a MM poll helps with pre engagement awareness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    1940's or 2020 kids don't see things clearly until the situation confronts them head on and even then they just accept it as the norm.

    Alvin Dark wrote his autobiography not knowing how he was discovered.

    Coaches develop recruiting relationships with other (HS) coaches, they don't develop relationships with non performing high school athletes.

    When you have a late bloomer you don't want your newly directed attention to be spent creating awareness. If you can help it.

    Being highly ranked in a MM poll helps with pre engagement awareness.
    You create those relationships with high school coaches by visiting the coach. His players see you visit, they see the logo, the coach introduces them to the team. There is nothing about recruiting now that is the same as the 1940's...it's completely different from the 90's. Those players aren't checking the mid major poll. It's a joke of a poll. Was everyone on here clammering about this poll before this year? Was that a goal set for the team before the year? No, nobody gave 2 shts about the mid major poll until this year. It's a joke of a poll that isn't even accurate or credible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunsmike View Post
    I understand there are varying opinions on this. However, I can tell you the opinion of the basketball staff is to continue to acknowledge the poll as they think it is favorable publicity. Theirs is the only one that counts at this stage. If Dr. Maggard has a different opinion, things may change but I am pretty sure he agrees with his coaches here.
    So the social media people and the staff WANT to acknowledge this poll? I thought it was just an honest mistake, but this is much worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunsmike View Post
    Talked to Dr. Maggard about this tonight. He thinks publicizing our standing in the mid major poll is fine.
    Well I can say this is my first bone to pick with Maggard.

    Question: In casual conversation, in the barber shop or among friends or at a sports bar.. I challenge someone to bring up the fact that the Cajuns are the #2 ranked mid major team in the mid major poll.. See what kind of reaction you get. I suspect the moment you say that sentence out loud, you'll realize "oh yes, that's small time".

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr View Post
    Its good publicity. So, are we supposed to not acknowledge it? Being amongst the best mid major programs when there are so many in the country is not really a bad thing. The "poll" is not going anywhere. It will continue to be published and pushed. I can see it now, we refuse to acknowledge it and so many of our fans claim the school is not doing everything it can to push our brand and accomplishments.
    When this program was among the elite in the nation, beating blue bloods and enjoying AP rankings... what do you think those players and coaches would have thought about a 'mid major' poll?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycajun View Post
    You create those relationships with high school coaches by visiting the coach. His players see you visit, they see the logo, the coach introduces them to the team. There is nothing about recruiting now that is the same as the 1940's...it's completely different from the 90's. Those players aren't checking the mid major poll. It's a joke of a poll. Was everyone on here clammering about this poll before this year? Was that a goal set for the team before the year? No, nobody gave 2 shts about the mid major poll until this year. It's a joke of a poll that isn't even accurate or credible.
    You must be talking about Acadiana.

    Unless they are recruiting early bloomers, there is no way coaches can possibly canvas what you are suggesting.

    Late bloomers require late introductions. Hopefully they have heard about you before.

    Mid Major polls are a useful tool in this regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycajun View Post
    You create those relationships with high school coaches by visiting the coach. His players see you visit, they see the logo, the coach introduces them to the team. There is nothing about recruiting now that is the same as the 1940's...it's completely different from the 90's. Those players aren't checking the mid major poll. It's a joke of a poll. Was everyone on here clammering about this poll before this year? Was that a goal set for the team before the year? No, nobody gave 2 shts about the mid major poll until this year. It's a joke of a poll that isn't even accurate or credible.
    LOL. Nobody thought we'd be worth a ____. We were picked 5th I believe in the preseason SBC poll and many of you guys were talking about baseball in November. The basketball team wasn't on many fans' radars earlier and the only talk about the MBB was about how Marlin has underperformed and is overpaid. You're right, nobody talked about this poll at all because we never would have been considered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    When this program was among the elite in the nation, beating blue bloods and enjoying AP rankings... what do you think those players and coaches would have thought about a 'mid major' poll?
    That was in the 60's man. People still used lead based paint and smoked filterless cigarettes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    You must be talking about Acadiana.

    Unless they are recruiting early bloomers, there is no way coaches can possibly canvas what you are suggesting.

    Late bloomer require late introductions. Hopefully they have heard about you before.

    Mid Major polls are a useful tool in this regard.
    Im talking about reality of seeing the same college coaches at our practices every year. We didn't always have kids they were interested in or kids that would consider them but they were there every year. We don't make less trips in recruiting, we actually have to hit more schools than the big boys do and more often because our shirt doesn't carry the weight theirs does. You really don't have a grasp on this. If our coaches are depending on this poll being what gets our name out there we are in a deep ___. Nobody gives a ___ about this poll except people with a small time loser mentality trying to grasp to anything that resembles success. It's a mind set that some of you have become accustomed to. Gonzaga and st Mary's are mid majors but MTSU, WKU,latech, UNT,FAU, and FIU are major? Great poll turbine. We are separating ourselves into second tier for them by acknowledging this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr View Post
    LOL. Nobody thought we'd be worth a ____. We were picked 5th I believe in the preseason SBC poll and many of you guys were talking about baseball in November. The basketball team wasn't on many fans' radars earlier and the only talk about the MBB was about how Marlin has underperformed and is overpaid. You're right, nobody talked about this poll at all because we never would have been considered.
    ^ Agreed

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