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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    Personally I like the poll.

    I would like a top-25 poll(s) for teams that lost Seniors, start more than 2 freshman (hello Kentucky), play in an open air stadium, have a first year coach, draw at least 4,000 to a game, don't draw 4,000 to a game. Are a mid-major, shouldn't be a mid-major.

    It's harmless, don't take yourself too seriously. The P5 schools aren't checking to see if you promoted yourself.

    So go ahead promote yourself.
    And when They are out on the recruiting trail and they tell a kid "why settle for playing for a mid-major? Come play big boy basketball, son do you consider yourself a mid-major player?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycajun View Post
    And when They are out on the recruiting trail and they tell a kid "why settle for playing for a mid-major? Come play big boy basketball, son do you consider yourself a mid-major player?"
    Better than introducing yourself for the first time on the recruiting trail and they have never heard your name.

    If they (P5) are recruiting against you, you are in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    Better than introducing yourself for the first time on the recruiting trail and they have never heard your name.

    If they (P5) are recruiting against you, you are in the game.
    If they have never heard of us before, i sure hope we are introducing ourselves as a mid major. Which is essentially what we are doing acknowledging it. This is their first step to separating us yet people wonder why "mid-majors" don't get at larges with 30 wins..it's because ackowledging it is accepting that we are beneath everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycajun View Post
    And when They are out on the recruiting trail and they tell a kid "why settle for playing for a mid-major? Come play big boy basketball, son do you consider yourself a mid-major player?"
    And do you think this is not already spoken about in recruiting anyhow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycajun View Post
    If they have never heard of us before, i sure hope we are introducing ourselves as a mid major. Which is essentially what we are doing acknowledging it. This is their first step to separating us yet people wonder why "mid-majors" don't get at larges with 30 wins..it's because ackowledging it is accepting that we are beneath everyone else.
    I don't wonder why. Its typically because a mid major's schedule and top level wins are usually much less than the big boys who can get such wins in conference games alone. The committee tends to think its taking a gamble on a high win mid major unless they have some top level wins to hang their hat on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr View Post
    And do you think this is not already spoken about in recruiting anyhow?
    There are several things spoken about in recruiting that our coaches refuse to acknowledge. We haven't gotten an at large in a long time, do you think our coaches should bring that up? This mid major crap was pushed by the bigger programs and i promise you it wasn't with the intent to help us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr View Post
    I don't wonder why. Its typically because a mid major's schedule and top level wins are usually much less than the big boys who can get such wins in conference games alone. The committee tends to think its taking a gamble on a high win mid major unless they have some top level wins to hang their hat on.
    It's a collective effort by the "bigger programs" to shut us out and we are assisting them by acknowledging it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycajun View Post
    It's a collective effort by the "bigger programs" to shut us out and we are assisting them by acknowledging it.
    The Shock and Awe post season win can't be the first time they hear your name.

    Any kind of mention associated with winning is valuable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    The Shock and Awe post season win can't be the first time they hear your name.

    Any kind of mention associated with winning is valuable.
    Like receiving votes in the real rankings? If our coaches are waiting for shock and awe to start recruiting then we have a major problem. If a kid at a school that this staff recruits at doesn't know our name in year 8, that's on them...they are doing it wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycajun View Post
    Like receiving votes in the real rankings? If our coaches are waiting for shock and awe to start recruiting then we have a major problem.
    I understand there are varying opinions on this. However, I can tell you the opinion of the basketball staff is to continue to acknowledge the poll as they think it is favorable publicity. Theirs is the only one that counts at this stage. If Dr. Maggard has a different opinion, things may change but I am pretty sure he agrees with his coaches here.

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    Does anyone know the full list of former players playing professional basketball.

    I know the following:

    Elfrid Payton--NBA
    Shawn Long--NBA G League
    Jay Wright--NBA G League
    Bryant Mambalu--Overseas, I think

    Any other players playing overseas or in South America currently?

    I also know that Kevin Brooks is an assistant or head coach in Australia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunsmike View Post
    I understand there are varying opinions on this. However, I can tell you the opinion of the basketball staff is to continue to acknowledge the poll as they think it is favorable publicity. Theirs is the only one that counts at this stage. If Dr. Maggard has a different opinion, things may change but I am pretty sure he agrees with his coaches here.
    Their actions clearly show their opinion of it. If the only opinions that matter here are what the coaches think then what's the point of a message board? IMO it's short sighted and buying into exactly what they want. If there is one thing I think should stay here from Michael Lotief is the thought "don't let them label or define you" He never let that "mid-major" crap fly. It's small time thinking. Once you accept it will be near impossible to shed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaginDave View Post
    Does anyone know the full list of former players playing professional basketball.

    I know the following:

    Elfrid Payton--NBA
    Shawn Long--NBA G League
    Jay Wright--NBA G League
    Bryant Mambalu--Overseas, I think

    Any other players playing overseas or in South America currently?

    I also know that Kevin Brooks is an assistant or head coach in Australia.
    Bumped into Tyren Johnson Saturday night...he said he's playing in France

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaginDave View Post
    Does anyone know the full list of former players playing professional basketball.

    I know the following:

    Elfrid Payton--NBA
    Shawn Long--NBA G League
    Jay Wright--NBA G League
    Bryant Mambalu--Overseas, I think

    Any other players playing overseas or in South America currently?

    I also know that Kevin Brooks is an assistant or head coach in Australia.
    Looks like Travis Bureau and Lamar Roberson are both still active in Europe. I see that Tiras Wade was playing in Japan as recently as last year, not sure about now.
    As far as guys that transfered Elijah Millsap is in the G-League, Gradnigo is playing in Brazil, and Kadeem Colbey is playing in Japan.
    I knew Millsap was in the G-League but the rest of this I learned with google in the last 10 Minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaginDave View Post
    Does anyone know the full list of former players playing professional basketball.

    I know the following:

    Elfrid Payton--NBA
    Shawn Long--NBA G League
    Jay Wright--NBA G League
    Bryant Mambalu--Overseas, I think

    Any other players playing overseas or in South America currently?

    I also know that Kevin Brooks is an assistant or head coach in Australia.
    I think Kasey Shepard is playing in Montenegro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycajun View Post
    Their actions clearly show their opinion of it. If the only opinions that matter here are what the coaches think then what's the point of a message board? IMO it's short sighted and buying into exactly what they want. If there is one thing I think should stay here from Michael Lotief is the thought "don't let them label or define you" He never let that "mid-major" crap fly. It's small time thinking. Once you accept it will be near impossible to shed it.
    I did not mean to insinuate your opinion should not be shared as you are correct in that is one of the main purposes of a message board. We should never be afraid to state our opinion and just because I agree with them in this case does not mean I agree with every decision. For example, I think we should play only one non D1 game and an additional road money game. However, we must recognize that whatever opinions one or two share here is unlikely to change the decision of the people responsible for making them. There are exceptions of course. That occurs when there is overwhelming consensus and money starts to get into it. The change in FB coaches being an example. Those are rare however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragin4U View Post
    I think Kasey Shepard is playing in Montenegro.
    You are correct, I just thought about Kasey and had looked him up too.
    Kevin Brown is in Kosovo as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragin4U View Post
    I think Kasey Shepard is playing in Montenegro.
    I know Kasey was hoping to play beyond his collegiate years. I think that a few of this year's seniors have an opportunity to play overseas, Frank Bartley in particular. Our coaches do have contacts in the international game which can help place people. They use that fact in recruiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunsmike View Post
    I did not mean to insinuate your opinion should not be shared as you are correct in that is one of the main purposes of a message board. We should never be afraid to state our opinion and just because I agree with them in this case does not mean I agree with every decision. For example, I think we should play only one non D1 game and an additional road money game. However, we must recognize that whatever opinions one or two share here is unlikely to change the decision of the people responsible for making them. There are exceptions of course. That occurs when there is overwhelming consensus and money starts to get into it. The change in FB coaches being an example. Those are rare however.
    Or it only takes one person to share a good idea and causes someone to look at something with a different perspective. This mid major poll is a wolf in sheeps clothing. Looks good on the surface but isn't big picture. It's just my opinion, but it's like being proud to be the fastest fat kid...and in this case, the second fastest fat kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycajun View Post
    Like receiving votes in the real rankings? If our coaches are waiting for shock and awe to start recruiting then we have a major problem. If a kid at a school that this staff recruits at doesn't know our name in year 8, that's on them...they are doing it wrong.
    The two are not mutually exclusive.

    If you are first or second in the mid-major polls, the other polls will take note and you will get votes.

    As far as recruiting we are looking at opposite scenarios. I'm talking about the late bloomer.

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