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    I damn sure would rather say "We are ranked #2 or whatever in the Mid-Major Poll" than not ranked in anything. Of course, we would prefer to be ranked with Duke, KU, UNC, etc but something is always better than nothing. It doesn't exclude us from being ranked by the AP or SI. And I think if we hadn't lost to Ole Miss and/or Wyoming, we would be ranked in those.


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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycajun View Post
    It doesn't even know which conferences are mid major, why would anyone put any stock in that? If our AD would come out and say " we aren't going to be labeled a mid-major, we are trying to build a championship program in every sport, nothing mid-major about what we are trying to accomplish here" i don't think one fan would be upset about that.
    You can be both a top ten program and a top 25 mid major. One has nothing to do with the other.

    I truly understand not wanting to be viewed as anything except Division I.

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    I don't want to get bogged down in this conversation because the team is too good. Don't want to deflect positive attention.

    And I don't necessarily think it affects recruiting either. I'm just telling you, recognizing a mid major poll and posting it from our official accounts is very small time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycajun View Post
    And that's the problem with you guys, you get offended when other people think out the box. Never said we asked to be removed, for people who keep up with this poll, great we are on it, they see it. For people and players who think it's a joke, they laugh when we promote it. I don't care what the pundits think,i care what level players we will be relegated to when we self label ourselves as a step below. We can't control what other people call is but we can control what we call ourselves. It desperation of a once storied program clinging to anything that seems relevant. We won't agree on this which is fine.
    LOL. Nobody was offended on this side. We aren't offended by the "small time" nature of our university. We aren't calling out the admin and fanbase for not being embarrassed. Nobody is using this as a goal or point of reference. Its just using every positive thing out there to our advantage if possible. I don't think anybody is going to negative recruit against us with this poll nor do I think they can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by talktomewillis View Post
    Okay. Deep breaths. Here's reality.

    In basketball we ARE a mid major. And we ARE in a mid major conference. Teams in this league haven't done enough to shed the distinction.

    This school is about to win its SECOND conference regular season title in TWENTY SEVEN years.
    There will come a time when we shed the distinction.

    That time hasn't happened yet.

    Being in a mid major poll is not going to kill our recruiting. Being in a mid major poll might get us scorn from bigger schools and bigger leagues, but we already get that.

    Some of you beat Gonzaga to death here. Guess what? We're right behind them in this poll.

    Who we are right now is not what we strive to be. But this poll isn't going to keep us from where we want to go.
    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    .... I'm just telling you, recognizing a mid major poll and posting it from our official accounts is very small time.
    Ditto.

    Mid-Major polls are like DII wins. They don't count when the money is on the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    Ditto.

    Mid-Major polls are like DII wins. They don't count when the money is on the table.
    Neither does the NIT, Top 25 polls etc..

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr View Post
    Neither does the NIT, Top 25 polls etc..
    Well the one ranking that we know means a heck of a lot is the RPI, and the Top 25 polls mirror the RPI a lot.

    Mid Major polls are fools gold for those who want to think they are darn fine prospectors. It's hogwash, especially for a school supposedly dying to shed the small time ways of running an athletic department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr View Post
    LOL. Nobody was offended on this side. We aren't offended by the "small time" nature of our university. We aren't calling out the admin and fanbase for not being embarrassed. Nobody is using this as a goal or point of reference. Its just using every positive thing out there to our advantage if possible. I don't think anybody is going to negative recruit against us with this poll nor do I think they can.
    Im not calling anybody out either, just stated my opinion. I wouldn't expect our football coach to promote we made the barstool sports top 25 of g5's Either. College insider just doesn't carry any weight, particularly when they exclude a conference we directly recruit against. I'd be curious to know how many teams in their poll have cut them Checks in previous years to play in their tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycajun View Post
    Im not calling anybody out either, just stated my opinion. I wouldn't expect our football coach to promote we made the barstool sports top 25 of g5's Either. College insider just doesn't carry any weight, particularly when they exclude a conference we directly recruit against. I'd be curious to know how many teams in their poll have cut them Checks in previous years to play in their tournament.
    CUSA is not considered a mid-major. They are considered a high major conference in basketball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clutch0364 View Post
    CUSA is not considered a mid-major. They are considered a high major conference in basketball.
    I know,which is bullsht

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    UL Basketball Re: MBB Final: Louisiana 100, UT Arlington 79

    Better hoops and better perception are the only reason CUSA might be a desirable move.

    As of today, MTSU, WKU and ODU are all top 100 RPI, and Marshall is 102.
    UTSA, UAB, UNT and LTUR are all top 200.

    We are top 100.
    GaSt, GaSo and UTA are top 200.

    It should be pretty obvious which conference is better.

    That being said, CUSA is a high major conference only because of teams that are no longer there. Louisville, Cincinnati, Memphis, Marquette, etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by VObserver View Post
    Better hoops and better perception are the only reason CUSA might be a desirable move.
    No matter how much truth you have on your side, ancient perception is hard to counter.

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    Default Re: MBB Final: Louisiana 100, UT Arlington 79

    Middle has parlayed themselves to #24th in CUSA. But CUSA 2018 is G5 mid major basketball conferences.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    No matter how much truth you have on your side, ancient perception is hard to counter.
    The truth, whether we like it is not, is that in basketball, CUSA has a more desirable group of teams than the Sun Belt. And it ain't close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VObserver View Post
    The truth, whether we like it is not, is that in basketball, CUSA has a more desirable group of teams than the Sun Belt. And it ain't close.
    CUSA is more desirable on name alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    No matter how much truth you have on your side, ancient perception is hard to counter.
    Which works both ways...which was my whole point. Embracing being a mid major will be hard to shed when the time comes

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycajun View Post
    Which works both ways...which was my whole point. Embracing being a mid major will be hard to shed when the time comes
    If you are a perennial #1 or #2 the perception will be that you don't belong and are worthy of breaking the glass ceiling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    If you are a perennial #1 or #2 the perception will be that you don't belong and are worthy of breaking the glass ceiling.
    If you are perennial 1 or 2 in the little bitty poll, you are probably a perennial top 40 program in the Big Poll, and THAT is what you should be promoting like crazy.

    Every time I hear our people belittle the Top 40 RPI or being ranked in the Also receiving votes list for the major polls, I want to vomit.

    You think the AAC will give a flying f what our mid-major polling looks like? They will look at attendance, tourney wins, RPI average, etc., etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    If you are perennial 1 or 2 in the little bitty poll, you are probably a perennial top 40 program in the Big Poll, and THAT is what you should be promoting like crazy.
    I would be shocked if anyone argued with this stance.

    Of course this is the route but you don't just teleport in, you build along the way.

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