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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajun Monkee View Post
    I don't think you will find a family with both parents that qualifies for "welfare". And I think there is a work provision in the TANF program. I think the program is structured toward single parents, but I could be wrong.

    I really think the drug testing for welfare recipients is a straw man. I think Arizona, Utah, and Florida have found the cost of the testing FAR exceeds the savings in people being removed from the rolls. I think Arizona literally found a couple of violators.

    Fatherless children is one of the problems.

    Its okay for you to say you disagree with my points. Don't throw in variables to create a situation wherein I'm the inflexible one.
    You mentioned "stop the cycle".

    That is what I'm interested in as well. However, I will never agree with your first 3 requests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    You mentioned "stop the cycle".

    That is what I'm interested in as well. However, I will never agree with your first 3 requests.
    Food, health and sex ed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoomZoom View Post
    Hell, my brother teaches auto mechanics in high school. Most of them are there because of their "indifference", that is, so the government check keeps coming to the house. They tell him straight up, you can't flunk is all or they'll give you a bad evaluation. Tail wagging the dog.
    What does this mean? Are you saying the government only offers aid to families when their kids attend high school? And are you saying your brother passes every kid so he can get a good evaluation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    You mentioned "stop the cycle".

    That is what I'm interested in as well. However, I will never agree with your first 3 requests.
    And I think when we say "stop the cycle", I'm talking about stopping 15 year old girls from being grandmothers in their early 40; (I'm taking liberties, correct me if I'm wrong) I think you're talking about ending any semblance of social welfare programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    Having been sent to private schools as a child, and sending my child to a public school, I see the same level of involvement. That's the fairy tale you subscribe to.
    I'm curious to know what your reasoning would be for private high school athletics collecting more money at the gates versus public school gates?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    You could have the same argument at a private school with, "my dad donates money to the school, pass me or I'll tell him to have you fired." The sword cuts both ways.
    Yes it does. Sadly, many children with disabilities go to private schools and are "passed". The children are protected from the reality that awaits. It's done under the guise of protecting the child from the cruel public system, but that's the real world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRebel View Post
    What does this mean? Are you saying the government only offers aid to families when their kids attend high school? And are you saying your brother passes every kid so he can get a good evaluation?
    No he nutted up and flunked them, knowing he'd get hit in his evaluation. When you lose half of a class to felony arrests, including murder, well, you're not dealing with the brightest and best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    You could have the same argument at a private school with, "my dad donates money to the school, pass me or I'll tell him to have you fired." The sword cuts both ways.
    I think it's true when you look at the public schools with the highest ratings. They have just as much parent participation as the best private schools. But those numbers are not close when it comes to many of the public schools with failing evaluations. Parental participation is not close when it comes to at risk children and in the learning environments they have to attend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Policarp View Post
    In the past 100 years.....enumerous Presidents, Governors..... has LA or MS ever not been in the bottom 10.

    Maybe the solution has no correlation to federal spending......but it does correlate to the level of local investment into education.

    TX used to be in that bottom group. Now many school districts in TX (where local commitment very high) compete in the top 5-10% nationally......those that dont compete with LA & MS
    Perfectly said. We love to vote no on everything concerning school board, education costs and school infrastructure improvement, but every time I turn on conservetive radio in Lafayette, someone is _____ing about the low performances of Lafayette parish schools... Insanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliek View Post
    Why do private schools outperform public? Sure some have more money, many don't.

    I'm sure there are myriad small reasons that can be pointed to but the main, overriding driver is that the parents are more involved, in general. That's it. If we have a society or a system where people are sending their kids off and expecting them to just come back educated, we will are failing.

    I don't know the answer, but it will need to involve forcing real parental involvement in their own kids' education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    Perfectly said. We love to vote no on everything concerning school board, education costs and school infrastructure improvement, but every time I turn on conservetive radio in Lafayette, someone is _____ing about the low performances of Lafayette parish schools... Insanity.
    This is an entirely different conversation, could it be that every time a tax is put on the ballot and passed in the past, the money was used for other purposes than the proposed tax initiative? The last school tax proposed would have allowed the School Board to allocate those funds for other needs, but we were not told this and they denied it until the state attorney general made a ruling on it. They lied from the beginning and played on people's emotions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoomZoom View Post
    Hell, my brother teaches auto mechanics in high school. Most of them are there because of their "indifference", that is, so the government check keeps coming to the house. They tell him straight up, you can't flunk us all or they'll give you a bad evaluation. Tail wagging the dog.
    What parish is this? It doesn't happen in Lafayette Parish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajun Monkee View Post
    What parish is this? It doesn't happen in Lafayette Parish.
    Sent u a PM. If you have trouble reading it, just let me know, I'll call u tomorrow.

    Can assure u it hapoens nation wide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunT View Post
    This is an entirely different conversation, could it be that every time a tax is put on the ballot and passed in the past, the money was used for other purposes than the proposed tax initiative? The last school tax proposed would have allowed the School Board to allocate those funds for other needs, but we were not told this and they denied it until the state attorney general made a ruling on it. They lied from the beginning and played on people's emotions.
    T is right.

    School board years back, tax solely for teacher raises. Passes, next thing you know, janitors, central office and the ever powerful bus drivers all got one too. Bus drivers whom own their own bus, well, how people get to the polls to vote.

    Joey Durel got the airport funded with a specific tax with amount and an end date. It passed, collected, stopped and project is happening.

    Last school board tax was one for buildings but could renewed. Kiss of death, people aren't willing to basically hand them a blank check anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoomZoom View Post
    Sent u a PM. If you have trouble reading it, just let me know, I'll call u tomorrow.

    Can assure u it hapoens nation wide.
    No you can't because students don't evaluate teachers in Lafayette Parish.

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    Please add some type of budget management course to high school curriculum.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajun Monkee View Post
    No you can't because students don't evaluate teachers in Lafayette Parish.
    Referring to the students

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    Quote Originally Posted by axg8750 View Post
    Please add some type of budget management course to high school curriculum.
    Whaaat? Why would kids need that? Better make them take four years of history instead. That history is totally going to pay off down the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunT View Post
    I think it's true when you look at the public schools with the highest ratings. They have just as much parent participation as the best private schools. But those numbers are not close when it comes to many of the public schools with failing evaluations. Parental participation is not close when it comes to at risk children and in the learning environments they have to attend.
    Daughter's at Woodvale...the best public elementary school in the city. Parent participation is brutally low. I went to elementary school at JW Faulk until 2nd grade, and St Genevieve from 3rd on. Being there, parent participation wasn't much better. You still had kids completely ignored by their parents, they would just buy them stuff to shut them up. They still got bad grades, barely passed. I will admit the parent participation was better at the private school, but not enough to warrant dropping college tuition on elementary education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    Daughter's at Woodvale...the best public elementary school in the city. Parent participation is brutally low. I went to elementary school at JW Faulk until 2nd grade, and St Genevieve from 3rd on. Being there, parent participation wasn't much better. You still had kids completely ignored by their parents, they would just buy them stuff to shut them up. They still got bad grades, barely passed. I will admit the parent participation was better at the private school, but not enough to warrant dropping college tuition on elementary education.
    My experience has been just the opposite. All of my children started school at St. Genevieve, we always had great parental participation. I moved my youngest to Ernest Gallet, which has more resources to deal with disabled children. It's a great school and has great parental participation.

    I also started school at JW Faulk and was rezoned to Vermilion Elementary, which was a new school at the time. From Vermilion to La Rosen Elementary and then to NP Moss. Attend Paul Breaux in Middle School and then to Northside. I've never attended private school. I've experienced both private and public schools, both have good teachers. The main difference is the discipline in the classroom. And that is the bottom line.

    For my two oldest, spending the money on private school was the best invest I could have made considering the school zones back then and the over crowding. My oldest graduated from Teurlings and my second wanted to attend Comeaux HS with her friends in the neighborhood. The difference the way both were advised and prepared for college was night & day.

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