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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    I've met better people at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder, than at the top.
    I don't disagree, but in most (not all) cases, to make money one has to go to work, take responsibility for your own life and understand that getting ahead with a decent life means not putting your future in the hands of the government at any level.

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    I don't disagree, but wouldn't it make more sense to let those individuals (regardless of circumstances) who are not caught up (or can overcome) in those type of situations to advance at a different pace that leads to bigger and better things, rather than holding them back waiting on the less privileged to attempt to catch up? Then the system could group those that struggle or are slower to learn and implement specialized programs in an "attempt" to assist them as needed.

    Regardless of if one is white, black, green, yellow, rich, poor, African, Asian, French or English etc., we are not all equal (regardless if the government tries to make it that way) in the ability to learn and comprehend. One size does not fit all. Never has, never will!
    I'm not gonna say this to be a smart ___. Because I absolutely agree with you and its gonna be a generational thing. And the longer we wait, the more generations we lose. And the cost of the band-aids just keeps going up.

    But would you have problems with ANY of the following being funded by public dollars at the public school level?

    Free lunch AND breakfast (my wife taught at a lower income school here in Lafayette and cried when she realized Friday lunch might be the last thing some kids ate until they got back Monday morning)

    Campus health clinics, that yes might distribute birth control. Imagine giving kids flu shots at school where they can access such a thing?

    And for that matter, extensive sex education. Stopping the cycle?

    After-school tutoring.

    Subsidized daycare for working parents (and single moms still in school)

    Parenting skills and life skills training for single parents (25 year olds who got pregnant at 14 or 15 tend to suck at parenting)

    Transportation to-and-from parent-teacher conferences.

    Just some thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragin4U View Post
    Whew. Now those high performing states like La, Ms, etc can go back to doing their own thing.
    If you consider alternative education as a guaranteed improvement for ACT scores and increases in college entrance, than fine. My two oldest never needed Common Core to score high enough on the ACT and gain entrance into UL Business School and Nursing. One is graduated and the other is in her last year of Clinicals.

    My youngest on the other hand started school in the old system, was diagnosed with serious life threatening disease and the learning problems that come with it. All switching to Common Core did is destroy his confidence in learning and his love for education.

    There is no specific answer for low test scores in our state and across the nation. Simply creating a new way of learning for at risk children doesn't meet the prior standards nor will it improve the learning environments in the schools they attend. But a certain group of people in this country have made millions off of Common Core and the new texts required in all 50 states. In the meantime, the same at risk children are still stuck in the same learning environments outside of School Choice and School Choice Academies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycajun View Post
    The government knows exactly what they want to do with education in this country and it's working, rapidly.
    A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves". Edward R. Murrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunT View Post
    If you consider alternative education as a guaranteed improvement for ACT scores and increases in college entrance, than fine. My two oldest never needed Common Core to score high enough on the ACT and gain entrance into UL Business School and Nursing. One is graduated and the other is in her last year of Clinicals.

    My youngest on the other hand started school in the old system, was diagnosed with serious life threatening disease and the learning problems that come with it. All switching to Common Core did is destroy his confidence in learning and his love for education.

    There is no specific answer for low test scores in our state and across the nation. Simply creating a new way of learning for at risk children doesn't meet the prior standards nor will it improve the learning environments in the schools they attend. But a certain group of people in this country have made millions off of Common Core and the new texts required in all 50 states. In the meantime, the same at risk children are still stuck in the same learning environments outside of School Choice and School Choice Academies.
    I agree that standardized tests are not the end all, be all. The test data should drive the curriculum not the test itself.
    Educational goals, and the strategies to achieve them, have to change because the economic opportunities change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunJack55 View Post
    Parent involvement at home is crucial, especially when you have a child that requires special attention but there are also a lot of parents who are in denial and do not give the child the required help he needs at home and at school. My wife is a first grade teacher at a very good school district in the Houston area. She has a few kids who are not even on Kindergarten level and have major behavior issues. Not only are the parents in denial, the school ties the teacher's hands... she is not allowed to give the kid an F and the kid does not get punished for behavior issues. They will pass the poor kid to 2nd Grade. It only hurts the kid. My wife gets paid relativity well but it is not nearly enough for what they put up with.
    Hell, my brother teaches auto mechanics in high school. Most of them are there because of their "indifference", that is, so the government check keeps coming to the house. They tell him straight up, you can't flunk us all or they'll give you a bad evaluation. Tail wagging the dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajun Monkee View Post
    I'm not gonna say this to be a smart ___. Because I absolutely agree with you and its gonna be a generational thing. And the longer we wait, the more generations we lose. And the cost of the band-aids just keeps going up.

    But would you have problems with ANY of the following being funded by public dollars at the public school level?

    Free lunch AND breakfast (my wife taught at a lower income school here in Lafayette and cried when she realized Friday lunch might be the last thing some kids ate until they got back Monday morning)

    Campus health clinics, that yes might distribute birth control. Imagine giving kids flu shots at school where they can access such a thing?

    And for that matter, extensive sex education. Stopping the cycle?

    After-school tutoring.

    Subsidized daycare for working parents (and single moms still in school)

    Parenting skills and life skills training for single parents (25 year olds who got pregnant at 14 or 15 tend to suck at parenting)

    Transportation to-and-from parent-teacher conferences.

    Just some thoughts.
    I can agree to some of that, if you agree to a couple of things.

    You only qualify for these things, if your parents are on Welfare.

    You only qualify for Welfare, if you pass a drug test and are actively seeking employment.

    No more government funding of fatherless children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    I can agree to some of that, if you agree to a couple of things.

    You only qualify for these things, if your parents are on Welfare.

    You only qualify for Welfare, if you pass a drug test and are actively seeking employment.

    No more government funding of fatherless children.
    I don't think you will find a family with both parents that qualifies for "welfare". And I think there is a work provision in the TANF program. I think the program is structured toward single parents, but I could be wrong.

    I really think the drug testing for welfare recipients is a straw man. I think Arizona, Utah, and Florida have found the cost of the testing FAR exceeds the savings in people being removed from the rolls. I think Arizona literally found a couple of violators.

    Fatherless children is one of the problems.

    Its okay for you to say you disagree with my points. Don't throw in variables to create a situation wherein I'm the inflexible one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    My 4th grader is struggling with algebra. In fact, the whole 4th grade is struggling with math right now. You know why? The Common Core standards force new materials at an ever increasing pace and teachers/students can't keep up. They're trying to force Algebra on 9 year olds when most of them never learned multiplication tables or long division properly and it is a train wreck.

    No lack of money caused this, and no amount of money will fix this.
    Long ago... in a galaxy far far away... it was proven that money is not the problem with education. (And Hawk... you can teach the next Einstein from old basic textbooks in a shack... but you cannot fight stealth bombers with bows and arrows... there is no comparison/correlation to education spend and military spend).

    Our greatest problem in public education is American culture. The raw product American households are sending to the classroom is putrid. And WAY beyond that... we should not require parents to be a part of the basics of education. Children in America should be in school all day until they have completed their classroom and study hall assignments. All students should be completing every bit of their work, with the help of teacher/tutors, at the school. We should increase teacher pay strictly based on merit... fire the weak ones with a wave of the hand... and send derelict administrators to prison. Teachers should work 8 to 5... and be done with education at 5... just like the students.

    We're depending on single parent households... or low income homes... or parents that don't have the education backgrounds to participate with their children's "homework". We all know that we learn way more from studying than we do sitting in a classroom. Kids with parents (and internet access... and outside private tutors) that can help... gain a huge advantage... and it makes gaps continue to widen. All education should be done at school. And when kids get home... family life and values should be the sole responsibility of the parents. Don't fight over homework. There is none. Eat dinner with the family... build family activities that strengthen the family bond.

    But again... we've destroyed a couple of generations with our crap US culture. And we're going to continue doing so... until we reach a bottom. I'd love to think that bottom is near... but I fear there's too many ____heads built into the politics of public education to not have it become ABYSMAL... before we fix it.

    It's irrelevant whether Common Core is over or not (and who cares who ended/ends it). No replacement system solves the biggest problems... charter schools only point to the flaws in public education... until we get honest and point to the real problems in American politics and culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajun Monkee View Post
    I don't think you will find a family with both parents that qualifies for "welfare". And I think there is a work provision in the TANF program. I think the program is structured toward single parents, but I could be wrong.

    I really think the drug testing for welfare recipients is a straw man. I think Arizona, Utah, and Florida have found the cost of the testing FAR exceeds the savings in people being removed from the rolls. I think Arizona literally found a couple of violators.

    Fatherless children is one of the problems.

    Its okay for you to say you disagree with my points. Don't throw in variables to create a situation wherein I'm the inflexible one.
    You mentioned "stop the cycle".

    That is what I'm interested in as well. However, I will never agree with your first 3 requests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    You mentioned "stop the cycle".

    That is what I'm interested in as well. However, I will never agree with your first 3 requests.
    Food, health and sex ed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoomZoom View Post
    Hell, my brother teaches auto mechanics in high school. Most of them are there because of their "indifference", that is, so the government check keeps coming to the house. They tell him straight up, you can't flunk is all or they'll give you a bad evaluation. Tail wagging the dog.
    What does this mean? Are you saying the government only offers aid to families when their kids attend high school? And are you saying your brother passes every kid so he can get a good evaluation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    You mentioned "stop the cycle".

    That is what I'm interested in as well. However, I will never agree with your first 3 requests.
    And I think when we say "stop the cycle", I'm talking about stopping 15 year old girls from being grandmothers in their early 40; (I'm taking liberties, correct me if I'm wrong) I think you're talking about ending any semblance of social welfare programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    Having been sent to private schools as a child, and sending my child to a public school, I see the same level of involvement. That's the fairy tale you subscribe to.
    I'm curious to know what your reasoning would be for private high school athletics collecting more money at the gates versus public school gates?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    You could have the same argument at a private school with, "my dad donates money to the school, pass me or I'll tell him to have you fired." The sword cuts both ways.
    Yes it does. Sadly, many children with disabilities go to private schools and are "passed". The children are protected from the reality that awaits. It's done under the guise of protecting the child from the cruel public system, but that's the real world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRebel View Post
    What does this mean? Are you saying the government only offers aid to families when their kids attend high school? And are you saying your brother passes every kid so he can get a good evaluation?
    No he nutted up and flunked them, knowing he'd get hit in his evaluation. When you lose half of a class to felony arrests, including murder, well, you're not dealing with the brightest and best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    You could have the same argument at a private school with, "my dad donates money to the school, pass me or I'll tell him to have you fired." The sword cuts both ways.
    I think it's true when you look at the public schools with the highest ratings. They have just as much parent participation as the best private schools. But those numbers are not close when it comes to many of the public schools with failing evaluations. Parental participation is not close when it comes to at risk children and in the learning environments they have to attend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Policarp View Post
    In the past 100 years.....enumerous Presidents, Governors..... has LA or MS ever not been in the bottom 10.

    Maybe the solution has no correlation to federal spending......but it does correlate to the level of local investment into education.

    TX used to be in that bottom group. Now many school districts in TX (where local commitment very high) compete in the top 5-10% nationally......those that dont compete with LA & MS
    Perfectly said. We love to vote no on everything concerning school board, education costs and school infrastructure improvement, but every time I turn on conservetive radio in Lafayette, someone is _____ing about the low performances of Lafayette parish schools... Insanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliek View Post
    Why do private schools outperform public? Sure some have more money, many don't.

    I'm sure there are myriad small reasons that can be pointed to but the main, overriding driver is that the parents are more involved, in general. That's it. If we have a society or a system where people are sending their kids off and expecting them to just come back educated, we will are failing.

    I don't know the answer, but it will need to involve forcing real parental involvement in their own kids' education.
    Yes sir!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    Perfectly said. We love to vote no on everything concerning school board, education costs and school infrastructure improvement, but every time I turn on conservetive radio in Lafayette, someone is _____ing about the low performances of Lafayette parish schools... Insanity.
    This is an entirely different conversation, could it be that every time a tax is put on the ballot and passed in the past, the money was used for other purposes than the proposed tax initiative? The last school tax proposed would have allowed the School Board to allocate those funds for other needs, but we were not told this and they denied it until the state attorney general made a ruling on it. They lied from the beginning and played on people's emotions.

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