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    Quote Originally Posted by Balanced_view View Post
    This 100%. the offense was good most of the year, even with key injuries, and will have good talent at all skill positions, and for all the talk of the lack of O-line talent, they had some good moments also. the main difference will be coaching adjustments, play calling, and development that should yield both consistency and overall improvement. the defense will need a influx of talent/juco experience, but they will reap the same benefits of better coaching adjustments, play calling, and development. I believe coach Napier could have coached this years roster to 9 or 10 wins.
    ......You need about 50 guys that can play.....22off....22 def and some kicking game guys.....what is is important is not dropping off in talent from the first 11 to the next 11..... I mentioned before that if we could choose 3 guys from say the 7 state schools, we would dominate.......add 2-3 from grads or Juco and wow.....talent evaluation, guys that can recruit (sell), and luck get the needs filled.....anybody can coach them, just ask the coaches.....you could find more knowledge in class Z say than the p-5s at times....we have so much to sell and evidently didn't't have the guys to sell it!!!

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    Here is a crazy thought. Maybe we have talent that was never used in the way they play the best. His quote was, "each decision made is with a championship in mind". I do not care how it happens, with 85 jucos or 85 freshman. He has a plan. I'm a scientist not a coach, I'll leave it up to the guy getting paid ~800k. I think he knows more than us RPer's!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fais do-do View Post
    I think he knows more than us RPer's!
    Surely you jest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fais do-do View Post
    Here is a crazy thought. Maybe we have talent that was never used in the way they play the best. His quote was, "each decision made is with a championship in mind". I do not care how it happens, with 85 jucos or 85 freshman. He has a plan. I'm a scientist not a coach, I'll leave it up to the guy getting paid ~800k. I think he knows more than us RPer's!
    Good points. From my perspective all I can see is players who look a half a step slow and in poor condition. Who knows what he can get out of these guys. Some may feel they have a new lease on life and come out with a renewed work ethic. But I think the way he recruits over the next 6weeks will tell you a lot about his feelings towards our existing players. A healthy roster should not need more than a handful of Juco guys, so if we are Juco and transfer heavy it tells you Napier thinks we have a lot of deficiencies that need immediate attention.
    It will be interesting to see how puts together this class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonaldDrump View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balanced_view View Post
    This 100%. the offense was good most of the year, even with key injuries, and will have good talent at all skill positions, and for all the talk of the lack of O-line talent, they had some good moments also. the main difference will be coaching adjustments, play calling, and development that should yield both consistency and overall improvement. the defense will need a influx of talent/juco experience, but they will reap the same benefits of better coaching adjustments, play calling, and development. I believe coach Napier could have coached this years roster to 9 or 10 wins.
    This is all true. If Napier is a great coach... including the ability to know limitations in certain personnel and adjust accordingly... he can take the base talent we have and succeed. We don't even know what he'll be capable of doing on signing day. If he needs to pull JUCOs... and of course that should be limited and highly strategic... I think that's what most of us are saying JUCO-wise. Of course, and every person knows it, you want to build a pipeline of HS talent and keep parlaying succeeds on the field into an even stronger pipeline. But Napier (and his staff) are only wise to identify (once all the current talent is reviewed) what they need right now... and where, if anywhere, they can go get it.

    I agree with you in that there's a very strong chance that Napier (and staff) can use S&C, more effective personnel assignment, better individual development, better schemes and mix of schemes, and even a different approach to discipline and focus... and take our current roster up to much much better game day performance. To think that we are "limited" in talent based on what your average fan witnessed... is BS. Coaching IS huge.

    The NFL... where parity is enforced... still has dominate teams... like the Patriots... due to a great coach. Average players get brought into his system, kick everyone's ___, then exercise their rights to fish for more money, and routinely go back to being average. The Patriots prove every year what great coaching does for a sport. Talent is King. But if that King isn't coached well... that castle is made of paper mache.

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    I'm hoping Napier & Co can emerge strengths from weaknesses.

    Along the lines of renaming players from Ivan to Ike.


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    I simply think that our football program has fallen to a level that's lower than most realize. We could easily struggle for a couple of years while we rebuild with high school signees,or we can strategically plug some holes with juco signees and turn things around in 2018.

    I also believe that Tulane is vastly improving its program, and that Tech has things rolling pretty well for its program right now. This is why I feel such a huge sense of urgency for UL to turn things around immediately (as in 2018). I think we all should.

    Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, we do compete with both Tulane and Tech for players. ULM, not so much maybe, but we can not afford to loose any more ground to Tulane and Tech than we have these last two years of the Dud's reign.

    I think we've made an excellent choice in our new head coach. I'm just hoping everyone in the UL administration has communicated to him the need for IMMEDIATE improvement.

    Merry Christmas to you Zee, and to all Cajun fans wherever you may be.
    I don't think anyone would disagree with you that our program has fallen. This is why we made a change correct? What I don't agree with is that this could be a wasted recruiting period. The entire month of January is available official visits after the Dead Period. A few key JC and Grad transfers could easily help this staff win a few more games in the SBC in get back to a bowl game.

    Making a change in staff is a process and this is just the beginning. Coach Napier's first class will lay a foundation for his tenure, but more importantly fill immediate needs for this season. It's been seven years since we as fans went through this process and no one thought we would win 9 football games in Hudspeth's first season. It's way too early to predict another dismal season.

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    I don't think anyone would disagree with you that our program has fallen. This is why we made a change correct? What I don't agree with is that this could be a wasted recruiting period. The entire month of January is available official visits after the Dead Period. A few key JC and Grad transfers could easily help this staff win a few more games in the SBC in get back to a bowl game.

    Making a change in staff is a process and this is just the beginning. Coach Napier's first class will lay a foundation for his tenure, but more importantly fill immediate needs for this season. It's been seven years since we as fans went through this process and no one thought we would win 9 football games in Hudspeth's first season. It's way too early to predict another dismal season.
    T, with early signing haven taken a lot of talent off the shelf... are the majority of talent accessible to Napier and his staff going to come from talent they were recruiting and familiar with at their last places of employment (mostly)? Is there a lot of unsigned talent all over this area within our reach?

    I was told the other day that one of the local HS coaching gripes with Hud was that Hud told them that if a local kid were graded out equal to a Texas or Miss kid... Hud told them "I will offer the Texas/Miss kid a scholarship and expect you to encourage the local kid to walk on at UL.". If that's true... Hud must have upset our local pipelines. Do you think Napier can repair those connections... and maybe even pull some surprise signings in our own back yard at this point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just1More View Post
    T, with early signing haven taken a lot of talent off the shelf... are the majority of talent accessible to Napier and his staff going to come from talent they were recruiting and familiar with at their last places of employment (mostly)? Is there a lot of unsigned talent all over this area within our reach?

    I was told the other day that one of the local HS coaching gripes with Hud was that Hud told them that if a local kid were graded out equal to a Texas or Miss kid... Hud told them "I will offer the Texas/Miss kid a scholarship and expect you to encourage the local kid to walk on at UL.". If that's true... Hud must have upset our local pipelines. Do you think Napier can repair those connections... and maybe even pull some surprise signings in our own back yard at this point?
    I think the early signing period was not a big loss for UL because most of the athletes signed out of Louisiana were not going to come to UL because of the uncertainty with the staff and our lack of success on the football field this past season. But the answer to your question is yes, these coaches are going to use their contacts in areas that they have recruited, but also in areas that they have had contacts in the past like Texas and Louisiana. Napier, Sale, Desormeaux and Scott has all recruited in Louisiana and Texas. Napier, Sale and Scott have recruited the California JC's and Texas JC's.

    Keeping Desormeaux and Trichel was the first step in repairing the damage with local and state HS coaches. Napier and his staff will have to hit the ground hard around the Acadiana area and state during the spring evaluation period and hosting Junior Day.

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    I don't care if we sign all JCs.

    Plug the leaks. That is all we need to do right now.

    There are going to be several guys make gigantic leaps in performance next season from our current roster.

    Some of Napier's best discoveries are already here.


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    When you sign an overload of JUCO's, you are committing to nearly always signing an overload of JUCO's.

    Frankly, I don't care about the number as much as I care about the quality.

    If we're signing a JUCO, he needs to be an immediate contributor. Stress the word immediate.

    We've signed too many in the past who either contributed minimally, or contributed only in their final year.

    You can't afford to make a mistake with JUCO's.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    I don't care if we sign all JCs.

    Plug the leaks. That is all we need to do right now.

    There are going to be several guys make gigantic leaps in performance next season from our current roster.

    Some of Napier's best discoveries are already here.
    JC transfers still don't know the system. Their biggest impact is in year two and after that you're back to square one.

    Balanced HC recruiting will always be your best bet, but never over HC it or you are back at square one every 5 years.

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    JC transfers still don't know the system. Their biggest impact is in year two and after that you're back to square one.

    Balanced HC recruiting will always be your best bet, but never over HC it or you are back at square one every 5 years.
    Yeah, I remember when Harry Peoples only contributed his second year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunT View Post
    I don't think anyone would disagree with you that our program has fallen. This is why we made a change correct? What I don't agree with is that this could be a wasted recruiting period. The entire month of January is available official visits after the Dead Period. A few key JC and Grad transfers could easily help this staff win a few more games in the SBC in get back to a bowl game.

    Making a change in staff is a process and this is just the beginning. Coach Napier's first class will lay a foundation for his tenure, but more importantly fill immediate needs for this season. It's been seven years since we as fans went through this process and no one thought we would win 9 football games in Hudspeth's first season. It's way too early to predict another dismal season.
    Guys on WWL we're talking about how most new coaches hit their recruiting stride in year 2. Year 1 is usually a new staff scrambling to get their bearings. This makes sense to me. This year is all about laying a foundation and keeping positive momentum. Obviously, scheme alone cannot make our defense good, but I like the idea of getting some Juco and grad transfers in to stop the bleeding. If we can get an Otha Peters style LB and run stuffing DL, we may be able to pull off the drastic turnaround we all want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by talktomewillis View Post
    When you sign an overload of JUCO's, you are committing to nearly always signing an overload of JUCO's.

    Frankly, I don't care about the number as much as I care about the quality.

    If we're signing a JUCO, he needs to be an immediate contributor. Stress the word immediate.

    We've signed too many in the past who either contributed minimally, or contributed only in their final year.

    You can't afford to make a mistake with JUCO's.
    I agree, that's why I stated key JC and Grad transfers. You target specific positions that are thin or not talented and then sign HS talent to develop behind them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunT View Post
    I agree, that's why I stated key JC and Grad transfers. You target specific positions that are thin or not talented and then sign HS talent to develop behind them.
    What specific positions would you include as not talented? I'm coming up with quite a few.

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    All of you know waaaaay more than me on recruiting obviously. Lots of experts here. I hope Napier is taking notes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MetryCajun View Post
    What specific positions would you include as not talented? I'm coming up with quite a few.
    On offense, I'm not certain if they think the 2018 QB is on the roster now or not. If they don't, you could see a Grad transfer or Juco signed. The most glaring need on offense in my opinion is the offensive tackle position. We need to get a little more athletic at that position.

    On defense, we need DL that can get up the field. Preferably at the DE or edge position. We need help at the MLB position. We have kids on the roster that can play WLB, but we definately need help at the MLB position.

    We also need help at the CB position. We really don't have many kids that project at the corner back position. We do have a number that can play safety including Crawford returning.

    And we also need a experienced punter. Someone that can come in and play consistently.


    QB? (Maybe), OT,DL, MLB,CB and Punter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliek View Post
    Yeah, I remember when Harry Peoples only contributed his second year.
    I didn't say "only" I said biggest, and I didn't say wouldn't contribute in year one, I said their biggest impact would be in year two.

    This isn't true across the board but it was true of Harry Peoples.


    HP went from 697 yards and 1 TD in year one, to 817 yards and 5 TDs in year two.

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