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    Quote Originally Posted by VObserver View Post
    No one has ever suggested we bring in any of those teams. We have suggested that we not play teams out of conference who are consistantly in the bottom third of division 1. La Tech, SFA, Texas Southern, New Mexico State and several others that Express and I have mentioned repeatedly should be scheduled instead of the dregs of division 1. All those teams have the same issues we have, and all should be amenable to playing us if properly approached.
    SFA has refused to play us in the past. You can choose to believe that or not. Your view on this does not change the fact it did happen. A couple of years ago they had four non D1 home games. That coach moved on to a better job by focusing on the "three days" in March and having success in the conference tournament as well as the NCAA tournament. Now, their coach is in their second year and he may have a different perspective as he did go to Tech this year in what I think is a home and home. I agree we should ask again and perhaps a more "proper" approach would pay dividends. Note that same SFA team we want to play was swept last season by UNO. That just goes to the point it is difficult to predict RPI from year to year.

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    So what? If they win the tournament they are a 12 seed. If we win it we are a 15 or 16. Which of those gives us a better chance to win a game or two? Or are you happy just to get there once every 7 years?
    NO SBC is going to sniff a 12 seed playing 18 games 250+ RPI.

    I'm not happy the days I grew up in, college and a few years after are gone. We had the Bayou Classic. GOOD teams came here. This all changed in the 90's, our home OOC was the freaking SWAC under Fletcher. I gave up my tickets. Some lapped his c**p like mother's milk. In retrospect, was the beginning of the end of what we now both seek.

    Came back a few years ago, but it's all different. ESPN and the birth of the Big East killed the game I long for. I know mathematically the deck is stacked against ALL the non P5s. I want to compete and go to the NCAA any way possible. Every year.

    I don't care for these pay for play joke tournaments. But every time someone posts ____ about a mid major poll or possible mid major national championships, it's accepting "we're not good enough".

    Our views may seem far apart, but they are not

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    Quit thinking at large bid. You are missing the point. Think RPI in the 40s or 50s. That garners an 11 or 12 seed and a much better chance of advancing in the Dance.

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    To end up with an RPI in the 50s or 40s at the end of the regular season, UL would need an out of conference RPI in the top-10 Nationally. This would require playing a super tough schedule with the wins to match.

    Playing mostly top-10 and top-25 teams out of conference is unfeasible. Yet it would be needed to end up with a top-50 RPI.

    Once SBC play begins the 9 sub-250 will lock the conference down and bring ever decent team down with it.

    30 RPI would become 70. 50 RPI would become 90. Anything lower going in would be dragged kicking and screaming out of the top 100.


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    NO SBC is going to sniff a 12 seed playing 18 games 250+ RPI.

    I'm not happy the days I grew up in, college and a few years after are gone. We had the Bayou Classic. GOOD teams came here. This all changed in the 90's, our home OOC was the freaking SWAC under Fletcher. I gave up my tickets. Some lapped his c**p like mother's milk. In retrospect, was the beginning of the end of what we now both seek.

    Came back a few years ago, but it's all different. ESPN and the birth of the Big East killed the game I long for. I know mathematically the deck is stacked against ALL the non P5s. I want to compete and go to the NCAA any way possible. Every year.

    I don't care for these pay for play joke tournaments. But every time someone posts ____ about a mid major poll or possible mid major national championships, it's accepting "we're not good enough".

    Our views may seem far apart, but they are not
    No denying that the landscape is very different. But navigating it a little more wisely does not appear to be a huge ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    To end up with an RPI in the 50s or 40s at the end of the regular season, UL would need an out of conference RPI in the top-10 Nationally. This would require playing a super tough schedule with the wins to match.

    Playing mostly top-10 and top-25 teams out of conference is unfeasible. Yet it would be needed to end up with a top-50 RPI.

    Once SBC play begins the 9 sub-250 will lock the conference down and bring ever decent team down with it.

    30 RPI would become 70. 50 RPI would become 90. Anything lower going in would be dragged kicking and screaming out of the top 100.


    Independent.
    Got look at Little Rocks ooc schedule two years ago. No where near as tough as what you think it would take. They played only 3 top 100 teams, none higher than 30. Their non conference RPI was 31. Season end ing RPI was 42.

    UTA last year played 4 top 100 teams and lost to 3 of them. Their non conference RPI was 18. They ended up at 40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDeb View Post
    No denying that the landscape is very different. But navigating it a little more wisely does not appear to be a huge ask.
    Dump the non D1 games. That would be a start. Don't ever risk "fumbling" the bed like Broadhead's team did the day before Thanksgiving.

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    Someone (looking at you VO) needs to take Maggard by the hand and put the bug in his ear. I know it's been said Marlin makes the schedule, but if Maggard called him into his office and said, "we're going to talk about scheduling", he'd listen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoomZoom View Post
    Dump the non D1 games. That would be a start. Don't ever risk "fumbling" the bed like Broadhead's team did the day before Thanksgiving.
    The non D1 games don't hurt us in terms of RPI. Voluntarily playing the dregs of Division one kills us.

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    FBS schools are allowed to schedule more than 1 FCS school per year. You know why they don't do it very often? It's because that only 1 FCS game per year can count for Bowl eligibility.

    So, my question is why do DI basketball schools schedule DII schools when none of those wins will count to your Tournament at-large consideration or your seeding consideration, only losses will count?

    And before we hear the argument about we have no chance for an at-large, this is not about that. Playing DII schools does nothing to get us better. The only thing that does that is competition.

    At a minimum, there should be no DII schools on the schedule.


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    Quote Originally Posted by VObserver View Post
    The non D1 games don't hurt us in terms of RPI. Voluntarily playing the dregs of Division one kills us.
    If we lose they do, and playing them does nothing to help us get better.

    They are just there to pad a coaches win total. That is all.

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    Someone (looking at you VO) needs to take Maggard by the hand and put the bug in his ear. I know it's been said Marlin makes the schedule, but if Maggard called him into his office and said, "we're going to talk about scheduling", he'd listen.
    If the AD does not have a hand in basketball scheduling, I have to ask "Why the hell not?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoomZoom View Post
    NO SBC is going to sniff a 12 seed playing 18 games 250+ RPI.

    I'm not happy the days I grew up in, college and a few years after are gone. We had the Bayou Classic. GOOD teams came here. This all changed in the 90's, our home OOC was the freaking SWAC under Fletcher. I gave up my tickets. Some lapped his c**p like mother's milk. In retrospect, was the beginning of the end of what we now both seek.

    Came back a few years ago, but it's all different. ESPN and the birth of the Big East killed the game I long for. I know mathematically the deck is stacked against ALL the non P5s. I want to compete and go to the NCAA any way possible. Every year.

    I don't care for these pay for play joke tournaments. But every time someone posts ____ about a mid major poll or possible mid major national championships, it's accepting "we're not good enough".

    Our views may seem far apart, but they are not
    Little Rock was a 12 two years ago. Just saying.

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    If we lose they do, and playing them does nothing to help us get better.

    They are just there to pad a coaches win total. That is all.
    I agree that we should not play them. But if I could only change 1 game, I wouldn't play McNeese. Playing them hurts us win or lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragin4U View Post
    If the AD does not have a hand in basketball scheduling, I have to ask "Why the hell not?"
    Historically the AD doesn't do the MBB schedule. Y'all can bet your bottom dollar he sets the tone, budget, and expectations.

    Unfortunately some of you guys keep thinking THIS year,last year, us. Think conference, strategic five years goals.

    We don't need a wholesale change in scheduling. UL needs to change two or three games a year. The SBC each needs to follow suit. Doing this would make a big difference in our champs chances.

    Sure I love beating teams by 37. It's just not going to help us 3 games in March, and hopefully 3 games into the Big Dance.

    Again for a few knuckleheads I don't dislike Bob Marlin. I don't hope he fails, just the opposite I hope he incredibly successful. He's been here most a decade. He seems to have had a large sample of mediocrity. I do want better, and right now his mediocre career is tolarated. Let's see if 2017/18 results in better? Until it does I'm not sold on the guy. Weak scheduling, never finishing in top two regular season, one top three, isn't a resume I'd hire, why'd I want to keep renewing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VObserver View Post
    Little Rock was a 12 two years ago. Just saying.
    And 2 years later, a dumpster fire, dragging the conference down.

    Sustainable success is what we both desire.

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    While everyone bashes the schedule and everyone has the cure all, none of us are taking budgets into consideration.

    What is the difference between a road game at UNO and a road game at NMSU? About 30K. Since we're dropping UNO, and McNeese and Nicholls, let's multiply it by at least two.

    UNO, Nicholls and McNeese are a bus trip and chik fil a after the game. Don't think for a second this doesn't enter into it..


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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    If we lose they do, and playing them does nothing to help us get better.

    They are just there to pad a coaches win total. That is all.
    Padding your win total can help in recruiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    Padding your win total can help in recruiting.
    Beating local/regional schools can help in recruiting as well. And before anyone jumps my SH!) about SLU/McNeese and UNO and we don't want to be recruiting against those schools. Guess who we got Bryce Washington from........That's right the only other D1 offer he had at the time was SLU. Guess who we outrecruited to get PJ Hardy, that is right McNeese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by talktomewillis View Post
    While everyone bashes the schedule and everyone has the cure all, none of us are taking budgets into consideration.

    What is the difference between a road game at UNO and a road game at NMSU? About 30K. Since we're dropping UNO, and McNeese and Nicholls, let's multiply it by at least two.

    UNO, Nicholls and McNeese are a bus trip and chik fil a after the game. Don't think for a second this doesn't enter into it..
    Then you play a couple more road money games.

    Kill 2 birds with one stone. Pay bills and boost RPI.

    Heck, we just might win one, and I'll guarantee you we'll be a better club come tourney time.

    Then, you might have a little left over to purchase a good home opponent.

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    I have no problem with the schedule except for D2 games. I would prefer to go on the road against. Not to say go out and schedule Kentucky and Kansas but lower level Power conference schools.


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