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    Quote Originally Posted by axg8750 View Post
    I do not agree with the way Lotief spoke to and treated some Cajun softball players. The accusations are alarming and the university had no choice but to fire him.

    HOWEVER, the argument at the base of this letter is flawed. The whole point of this letter is that the way Lotief treated his players is not acceptable in a professional Work environment.

    Wellllll, NO ____!

    BasinBear, you have been outspoken about this. While coaching, did you ever talk to a player in a manner that would not be acceptable by HR in your post coaching career? Not trying to call you out it's just a fact on this board that you were once a coach. So did you ever raise your voice or say something that would not be acceptable in an office setting?

    You think the way Hud and Coaches (or any other NCAA football coach and most baseball and softball coaches) would fly with the HR team at my office?!?! I would bet a paycheck that some things are said at practice that would call for "immediate termination" by the local HR guy at 90% of businesses.

    Comparing the way NCAA coaches speak to and treat their players to how a professional is expected to treat their co-workers is pretty silly.

    If we want NCAA coaches to begin treating their players with the respect required in a professional setting then that's fine.....but to think that it is the current normal throughout college athletics today is being naive.

    This post is in no way defending Lotief's actions but pointing out the flaws in the argument trying to be made by writer.
    Take the players out of it. What he did to the strength coach was grounds for termination by itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by axg8750 View Post
    I do not agree with the way Lotief spoke to and treated some Cajun softball players. The accusations are alarming and the university had no choice but to fire him.

    HOWEVER, the argument at the base of this letter is flawed. The whole point of this letter is that the way Lotief treated his players is not acceptable in a professional Work environment.

    Wellllll, NO ____!

    BasinBear, you have been outspoken about this. While coaching, did you ever talk to a player in a manner that would not be acceptable by HR in your post coaching career? Not trying to call you out it's just a fact on this board that you were once a coach. So did you ever raise your voice or say something that would not be acceptable in an office setting?

    You think the way Hud and Coaches (or any other NCAA football coach and most baseball and softball coaches) would fly with the HR team at my office?!?! I would bet a paycheck that some things are said at practice that would call for "immediate termination" by the local HR guy at 90% of businesses.

    Comparing the way NCAA coaches speak to and treat their players to how a professional is expected to treat their co-workers is pretty silly.

    If we want NCAA coaches to begin treating their players with the respect required in a professional setting then that's fine.....but to think that it is the current normal throughout college athletics today is being naive.

    This post is in no way defending Lotief's actions but pointing out the flaws in the argument trying to be made by writer.
    Of course... smh

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    Take the players out of it. What he did to the strength coach was grounds for termination by itself.
    He is fortunate he didn't get anything broken, she could make mincemeat out of a large percentage of men on this planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by axg8750 View Post
    I do not agree with the way Lotief spoke to and treated some Cajun softball players. The accusations are alarming and the university had no choice but to fire him.

    HOWEVER, the argument at the base of this letter is flawed. The whole point of this letter is that the way Lotief treated his players is not acceptable in a professional Work environment.

    Wellllll, NO ____!

    BasinBear, you have been outspoken about this. While coaching, did you ever talk to a player in a manner that would not be acceptable by HR in your post coaching career? Not trying to call you out it's just a fact on this board that you were once a coach. So did you ever raise your voice or say something that would not be acceptable in an office setting?

    You think the way Hud and Coaches (or any other NCAA football coach and most baseball and softball coaches) would fly with the HR team at my office?!?! I would bet a paycheck that some things are said at practice that would call for "immediate termination" by the local HR guy at 90% of businesses.

    Comparing the way NCAA coaches speak to and treat their players to how a professional is expected to treat their co-workers is pretty silly.

    If we want NCAA coaches to begin treating their players with the respect required in a professional setting then that's fine.....but to think that it is the current normal throughout college athletics today is being naive.

    This post is in no way defending Lotief's actions but pointing out the flaws in the argument trying to be made by writer.
    agree 100%.......80% of all coaches in America would be fired if all of their players were brought in and aggressively interrogated about every single action they have witnessed during practice and games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alum81 View Post
    agree 100%.......80% of all coaches in America would be fired if all of their players were brought in and aggressively interrogated about every single action they have witnessed during practice and games.
    So if the majority do it, does it still make it right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeauxLouisiana View Post
    So if the majority do it, does it still make it right?
    So is this a precedent making case and a taste of #MeToo athletics to come?

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    You guys do realize that he wasn't fired for his handling of players right? There were complaints filed and pretty much ignored by the university. I don't agree with calling those players _______. But there are two other common terms that really cross the line when referencing that body part and another person. Lotief was first suspended for verbally threatening Scott Farmer in T-Joe's presence. He resigned, as a result and was later convinced to return as HC. So it wasn't about the language.

    He put hands on another athletic department employee in a demeaning or threatening manner supposedly on video and definitely with witnesses present. That is what got him fired.

    The rest of the stuff brought out by Lotief and his supporters are just fluff and a way to divert attention from the real issue. He was fired with cause due to overt acts of physical intimidation and violence.


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    Aaaaaaaannnnnndddddd people still can't understand it was a CO-WORKER he berated and pushed..... people, it was NOT a player!!!


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    agree 100%.......80% of all coaches in America would be fired if all of their players were brought in and aggressively interrogated about every single action they have witnessed during practice and games.
    You are bound and determined not to understand this situation. First, the "professional work environment" pertains predominantly to his behavior toward another employee. Second, there is no way you can compare the Neanderthal behavior that the world has come to tolerate from the majority of coaches (who are required to act like asses because they lack other skills) that coach young men... with a grown man... a lawyer to boot... that uses gutter language laced with tough talk... with young women. It isn't a comparable situation.

    The fact of the matter is... Coach Lotief would likely have gotten his ___ kicked if he weren't a frail male. I wonder how many of our softball athletes were exposed to this kind of behavior in high school? Are we to believe this is common practice at other top college programs? Most of our softball athletes haven't been to any collegiate program but ours. They actually believe there's a link between them being a top softball program... and having a coach that uses abusive language.

    Lotief is a man that should be apologizing profusely for his behavior while he reflects on how his skills as a coach could have succeeded without it. Instead, we have fans that refuse to separate their appreciation for his softball coaching skills and his abusive behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just1More View Post
    You are bound and determined not to understand this situation. First, the "professional work environment" pertains predominantly to his behavior toward another employee. Second, there is no way you can compare the Neanderthal behavior that the world has come to tolerate from the majority of coaches (who are required to act like asses because they lack other skills) that coach young men... with a grown man... a lawyer to boot... that uses gutter language laced with tough talk... with young women. It isn't a comparable situation.

    The fact of the matter is... Coach Lotief would likely have gotten his ___ kicked if he weren't a frail male. I wonder how many of our softball athletes were exposed to this kind of behavior in high school? Are we to believe this is common practice at other top college programs? Most of our softball athletes haven't been to any collegiate program but ours. They actually believe there's a link between them being a top softball program... and having a coach that uses abusive language.

    Lotief is a man that should be apologizing profusely for his behavior while he reflects on how his skills as a coach could have succeeded without it. Instead, we have fans that refuse to separate their appreciation for his softball coaching skills and his abusive behavior.
    It sounds like you are saying, if a coach of a male team was faced with the exact same allegations he would not have been fired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alum81 View Post
    It sounds like you are saying, if a coach of a male team was faced with the exact same allegations he would not have been fired.
    He wasn't fired for language! Geez! The dude was fired for physical intimidation and verbal threats to another UL employee. His 2nd offense by the way.

    His language and treatment of players have been overlooked for what 12 years? That's not what got him fired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeauxLouisiana View Post
    So if the majority do it, does it still make it right?
    Ignore him. He's a cultist too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunJeaux View Post
    Aaaaaaaannnnnndddddd people still can't understand it was a CO-WORKER he berated and pushed..... people, it was NOT a player!!!
    Couldn't convince Jim Jones followers, and we won't convince this group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KajunKrazy View Post
    Take the players out of it. What he did to the strength coach was grounds for termination by itself.
    ^^^^ This^^^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by KajunKrazy View Post
    Take the players out of it. What he did to the strength coach was grounds for termination by itself.
    That is exactly what the administration should have done. It would have been enough.

    Muddied waters dilute the focus.

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    Ignore him. He's a cultist too.
    Is Jenny on the Block in your cult?
    I only know of the one Guy but I think we scared him into hiding.

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    It sounds like you are saying, if a coach of a male team was faced with the exact same allegations he would not have been fired.
    You do realize we are talking about terminating a person from a job? We aren't trying them for a criminal offense. Many coaches would be fired for similar behavior if it were brought to the attention of the employing administration. As well, once it gets into the public spotlight... the employment is more than done.

    Placing your hands on another employee, man or woman, is definite grounds for termination. I do think when a man places his hands on a woman, it is more significant to the employer (and in society). There's a psychological break when a man places his hands on a woman in the workplace, for no other reason than to dominate them. Alarms go off. And this guy is a coach over young women. If half of what the young women stated is true... the guy had to be terminated. I realize he's confused. It's what he does "to make champions" in his mind. I realize why the athletes are confused. It's what he does "to make champions" in their minds. And I suppose there's a similar moral confusion on the part of some fans.

    There is a higher toleration of foul language by a male in the presence of males than in the presence of females. I will not intervene on a guy cussing out another guy. I will intervene on a guy cussing out a woman. If it's a grown man with a young woman... I'm putting him to sleep. I would hope other men feel the same way, regardless of how maligned our modern culture has become.

    Whether he was terminated or not... I find his behavior disgusting. But I do believe he could apologize and a lot of people that are upset with him would turn around and help restore his dignity. I do not believe he will restore it on his own. He may find a pound of vengeance available through Title IX sanctions... but UL will recover from them. He will not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    Is Jenny on the Block in your cult?
    I only know of the one Guy but I think we scared him into hiding.
    Wouldn't know, you'd have to ask the cult members themselves.

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    "As far as the allegations go, I've been witness to the majority of them, and I believe them to be completely false,"

    Did Chris Malveaux just admit that the allegations actually happened? How can you witness something and in the same breath say that they are false? Did they happen or did they not?


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    They're starting to remind me of the Clinton's.... GO AWAY!


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