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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajun Soldier View Post
    It amazes me how you and others like to lecture softball fans but are speechless when fans don't support football because of HUD. They pulled their support not because of the team but because of the coach. But when want to pull our support because of the coach we are no longer fans of the University we are fans of the coach give me a break with the non-sense. I paid good money to support a championship team if you give me a bs team I should be entitled to a refund if I so choose. If the current players play and tank the season I'm ok I paid to see them play.The product you sold me is not what you are delivering to my door. They knew they were going to fire Mike why wait until after the ticket deadline that the $5000 question. I would have still donated that money to the school but to the water ski team.
    1) Where did I lecture UL softball fans?
    2) Calling this team "a bs" team is offensive to me and anyone who coaches, plays or truly supports the program.
    3) Comparing what's going on in football to what's happened here is crazy talk and shows just how far you cultists are willing to go to deflect.

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    And oh btw, give this jackass his money back and send him on his way as well.. We don't need these kinds of "fans"..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kid Cajun View Post
    The university has an obligation to provide a safe environment for its employees and students.

    The university determined that having coach Lotief in his position was not a safe environment for its employees and students.

    The only action the university took was to relieve coach Lotief of his duties.

    Replacing coaches is standard operating procedure for any athletic program when it is called for by the situation.

    Replacing a coach does not constitute an action that any serious person would consider grounds for a refund.
    I'm thinking that the first comment in this was about the timing of the firing falling right after ticket renewal deadline. The coaches tenure was in high jepordy for the entire month before the axe fell. Anyone buying tickets expecting Loteif had ample time to consider he'd be gone. So I'm pretty sure that the university didn't time thigs that way.

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    Before dismissing the softball team as a dumpster fire, how about waiting to see who will be our new coach, which players transfer and which don't, or actually waiting to see how they perform on the field? Everyone has a right to vote with their dollars, but I'd say wait a season or two to see what we field. The new coach might win the national championship for us.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunfanatico View Post
    Before dismissing the softball team as a dumpster fire, how about waiting to see who will be our new coach, which players transfer and which don't, or actually waiting to see how they perform on the field? Everyone has a right to vote with their dollars, but I'd say wait a season or two to see what we field. The new coach might win the national championship for us.
    Because it's not about the softball team with these people. It's about them. It's about the selfish twats that want to be able to say the team THEY follow are champions. Mike represented that hope and now they feel like it's gone and no one else can do what Mike did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smd06 View Post
    If you are referring to the text messages that the former players are receiving in terms of retaliation, they are not publicized. I just have close ties with a few of them and have been shown what they have been receiving over the past month. They are very fearful of going public with all of this because of the retaliation they are receiving.
    It's not surprising that they are being targeted by fellow athletes, this happens to anyone that comes forward with complaints against popular coaches in college athletics. Unfortunately some of these exchanges have been seen by others including myself, and after reading them it certainly didn't make either person look very good considering the content. In one specific exchange, one of the young women was accused of talking about her personal life in vivid detail in front of her teammates and had a reputation of doing so and was even given a nickname for her actions by her teammates. The young lady didn't deny this accusation, but she did say it doesn't change the allegations against Coach Lotief. While I agree with her that is doesn't change the facts on the ground, it also shows at times some of them were active participants in what is commonly known as Locker Room Talk. In my opinion, it's not any more appropriate in a female locker room than a male locker room. And I find it very hard to believe this person was traumatized by the discussion of the female anatomy.

    In any case those twitter exchanges and facebook comments have been deleted and I hope it remains that way, the victims as you have stated should be protected. Both the victims and former teammates should stay away from such public discourse, it's not a good look for either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    Because it's not about the softball team with these people. It's about them. It's about the selfish twats that want to be able to say the team THEY follow are champions. Mike represented that hope and now they feel like it's gone and no one else can do what Mike did.
    Even if no one but Mike can do it, UL is better off without him. We must not tolerate coaches who abuse their players or co workers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VObserver View Post
    Even if no one but Mike can do it, UL is better off without him. We must not tolerate coaches who abuse their players or co workers.
    Without question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajun Soldier View Post
    It amazes me how you and others like to lecture softball fans but are speechless when fans don't support football because of HUD. They pulled their support not because of the team but because of the coach. But when want to pull our support because of the coach we are no longer fans of the University we are fans of the coach give me a break with the non-sense. I paid good money to support a championship team if you give me a bs team I should be entitled to a refund if I so choose. If the current players play and tank the season I'm ok I paid to see them play.The product you sold me is not what you are delivering to my door. They knew they were going to fire Mike why wait until after the ticket deadline that the $5000 question. I would have still donated that money to the school but to the water ski team.
    Some of you people are ignorant. We survived when Yvette left. We will survive after a justified firing as well.

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    OMG....9, NINE PAGES....what have we come to?????

    Dude abused players, thank god he is gone! Let's enjoy some softball! I'm hoping most of the players stay and prove to the former coach that they are better off without him. He was actually holding them back with his abuse. Maybe we can go win some games in Oklahoma in June now.

    This team is the Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns softball team!!!!!
    Go watch them and support THE TEAM!!!

    /rant


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    What is the time frame for UL hiring another coach??


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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolCajun123 View Post
    What is the time frame for UL hiring another coach??
    What's the latest on the coaching search for all of you in the know??

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolCajun123 View Post
    What is the time frame for UL hiring another coach??
    I've heard we would like to make this happen within 30 days.

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    If my daughter had been treated in the manner described in the threads here I would hope she could get a full release to play elsewhere immediately if that is what she wanted.Now I would tell her how many good times I had at LaFonda over the years but why would the administration impose the standard policy of not releasing harmed athletes to conference schools ,schools played and others?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alum77 View Post
    If my daughter had been treated in the manner described in the threads here I would hope she could get a full release to play elsewhere immediately if that is what she wanted.Now I would tell her how many good times I had at LaFonda over the years but why would the administration impose the standard policy of not releasing harmed athletes to conference schools ,schools played and others?
    Because that's how everyone does it. Just smart business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hark Mudspeth View Post
    My point is, if the guy was genuinely a good person and had a momentary lapse in judgement he probably doesn't get fired for it. Those 2 employees probably work it out and come to an understanding. If you are a f'n azhole to everyone all the Time, nobody is trying to work things out with you.
    Agreed. I got the feeling from reading the strength coach's account that this is SOP around the athletic complex with Mike. It didn't sound like everybody was looking around like, "What's gotten into Mike all of a sudden?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajun Soldier View Post
    It amazes me how you and others like to lecture softball fans but are speechless when fans don't support football because of HUD. They pulled their support not because of the team but because of the coach. But when want to pull our support because of the coach we are no longer fans of the University we are fans of the coach give me a break with the non-sense. I paid good money to support a championship team if you give me a bs team I should be entitled to a refund if I so choose. If the current players play and tank the season I'm ok I paid to see them play.The product you sold me is not what you are delivering to my door. They knew they were going to fire Mike why wait until after the ticket deadline that the $5000 question. I would have still donated that money to the school but to the water ski team.
    You are entitled to nothing.

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    Default Coach, let's bury the hatchet....

    I'm ready to wipe the slate clean.

    I'm ready to call LL the next Brian Mitchell.

    I'm ready to tailgate at a packed Cajun Field for Homecoming.

    I'm ready to pick up the rope again.


    You just gotta do one thing.


    BEAT OLE MISS.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunfanatico View Post
    In another life I had a pile of employees in the US and scattered around the world. We employed all types of people from grunts to top-of-the-line technicians and engineers, and competed against the best the industry had to offer.

    We went through all the roller coaster rides the oilfield could offer, constantly walking the line between having enough employees to cover the jobs and too many to meet the payroll.

    Plenty of times I wanted to throw myself in front of traffic with the frustrations I felt, but never, ever, once, did I feel the need to yell at anyone, poke them, put my hands on them in anger, or otherwise intimidate them to get them to do their jobs properly.

    It's not needed, it's uncalled for, it's illegal in most cases and it's something someone does because they lack the skills necessary to do the job they're trying to do.
    I've been having conversations with quite a few ex college athletes lately about this (only guys). The football players I talked to act like there's no limit to cursing and intimidation they've seen. The baseball players tell me there was little to no coach cursing or intimidation directly at them (the few instances were unusual events - not common practices). It isn't a perfect sampling. But this is from 6 different college programs.

    I can only hope the people reviewing the UL/Michael Lotief situation... have the ability to look at this objectively... and draw good conclusions. I find his antics totally unacceptable. I don't care if he was curing diseases with all of his nonsense... I just cannot reformulate a context that makes his antics acceptable. He may be the world's biggest Title IX advocate... but women's softball does not rise to utilizing any and every tactic "to win"... being acceptable.

    However... what bothers me most... is where this leaves the current softball athletes. This is a shame for them. Regardless if it's Mike that's fully to blame for this disruptive situation... or a joint mismanagement by he and UL... the softball athletes are caught in a very uncomfortable middle space. I can see where they have little to no respect for how outsiders view their coach, the admin and the Title IX stuff. But I hope they find a way to rekindle their relationship with the softball fans and the university... look at the bond they have with each other as the most important component... and stay here. I'm sure they're all struggling with 1000 emotions right now. I feel bad for them.

    I'll say this... regardless of how unpopular it might be with other fans... I hope we all accept each and every decision each young women makes. Even if we lose them... I hope we are all big enough human beings to allow these young women the freedom to make the decision they feel is best for them... and support that decision.

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    Default Re: Coach, let's bury the hatchet....

    Sounds reasonable.


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