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    My App State daughter sent this to me, can't cut and paste link, so I copied this rant...guys are starting to sound like Alice shoe fans..

    Five Ways To End Toxic App State Negativity
    by The Masked Mountaineer | Oct 8, 2017 | Football | 8 comments
    Five Ways To End Toxic App State Negativity
    Yesterday I sat in my regular seat behind the visitors' bench. My wife and I joined friends with extra seats on the home side after halftime. This was my wife's first time on the home side and my first time in years. There is a troubling trend of negativity and ignorance from App State fans all around KBS. I was amazed at the shrill, ignorant, and profane garbage directed at our own team. The main problem is negativity when you boil it down. This toxic negativity MUST be addressed. But what good is pointing problems without offering solutions? Therefore, I have some suggestions for eliminating this toxic negativity from the App State fan base! If what follows offends you then you're contributing to the problem.
    I've disclosed that I'm no angel several times on this website. The best fan is guilty of spreading negativity on rare occasions. But constant negativity spreads. It starts with you, then the row in front of you, the row behind you, the section beside you, and on and on until it makes enemies and divides. It's worse with the extra layers of anonymity on social media and the Mountaineer Message Board. Recognizing this issue is the first step to being a better fan. For most of the "fans" causing the problem, this is a step to actually ENJOYING the game vs. being constantly miserable. Here are five things to understand to cure negative App State fanhood:
    1 The Other Team Tries To Win Too
    Every one of our opponents practice, watch tape, and plan to win. App State players spend hundreds of hours lifting weights, watching tape, and installing game plans each year. The Mountaineers are not unique in their preparation. Coach Satterfield and his crew will have very detailed scouting reports and have our guys ready for our opponents. We will know every formation, trick play, strength, and weakness they put on tape. Therefore, our guys are more prepared on Saturday than the most knowledgeable fan x 1,000,000.
    But guess what, folks? The other team prepares for us too! *Gasp!* Here's more shocking news: because of the whole "the other team prepares to win too" thing, not every play (or game plan) will work. NMSU set up a QB keeper all day with their zone read. I told my wife it was coming and we needed to be ready. Finally, in the 4th quarter they ran the keeper and didn't get the first down. It was a win for us! The Aggies spent three quarters setting up a run that didn't work. The point? Even a throwaway play that the average fan doesn't notice takes great discipline and planning. Every play involves 22 players and 11 of them want us to fail. Sometimes the bad guys win. Get over it!
    2 The Refs Are Not Out To Get App State
    Remove your tin foil hat and let's square this up: the officials aren't perfect and don't have an anti-App State agenda. Sun Belt officials are in the top 5% of anyone in their line of work. I've never witnessed a game where the officials LITERALLY cost us the game. Amazingly, I've heard ages 10-70 saying "I guess ______ paid these refs." An App State fan referenced how officiating cost us the game after UGA and I almost passed out from the stupidity. Comments like that are asinine. It makes our fan base look as though we have no grip on reality. We lost to a top 6 team by 21 points and it was the refs? Wake up. More recently, AJ Howard's ejection for targeting. I'm confident that he didn't target on purpose. But it was targeting! The rule was enforced properly. You sound ignorant when you blame officials for our misfortunes and teach future Mountaineers around you to make excuses. Understand this very clearly: being upset over a call is NATURAL! But when the dust settles you have to STOP putting the result of an entire game on the officials. Voice your displeasure but don't go overboard and imply conspiracy theories and bias that make ALL of us sound foolish.
    3 It's Impossible to Always Play A+ Football
    Most reading this have jobs. Some days you're at a B or C level. Those days are tough to be as productive as you'd like. Similarly, our football team has B and C days. Yesterday was a C day for our front 7 as they gave up too many big plays and missed several tackles. Luckily our corners played A+ football. Fortunately, we are usually able to overcome these types of games (Texas State another example). But we often forget our players are between 18 and 24 years old. Have you considered that as you chastise them for penalties or lacks of focus? For those of you that have kids this age: would you ever stand for an adult screaming at your kid for not doing something they're good at perfectly every time?
    Lineman will miss a block. Safeties will take a bad angle to the ball. Linebackers will miss a tackle. Young men make mistakes. Maybe they're struggling in a class. They could be nursing an injury. Perhaps a long-term girlfriend dumped them. Every one of those reasons are real and make their way onto the field at one point or another. Current Oklahoma Assistant Head Coach and Former App State Defensive Coordinator Ruffin McNeill referenced players having girl problems in a recent BGP episode. So when a player going through a personal issue makes a mistake, luckily they get a grown adult yelling "constructive criticism" at them such as "CATCH THE BALL FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE!" or "MAKE A BLOCK OR GET OFF THE FIELD!" Great insight, Belichick.
    The word "fan" implies support. That means every time you scream at a 20-year old kicker for missing an extra point to beat a P5 team while you made exactly 0 contributions you're objectively being a terrible fan. Young men need unconditional support more than ever when they struggle. Side note: Booing Rubino is a garbage move and you should re-evaluate that decision. He doesn't miss on purpose. Booing him increases the pressure AND likelihood he'll miss more kicks. Again, it's NATURAL to be extremely frustrated that Rubino misses important kicks. Anyone suggesting that you shouldn't be upset when a kicker misses a chip shot is mentally ill. But that's NOT THE POINT. Never, ever, ever, ever BOO a KID that you supposedly support.
    4 100% of Our Coaches Know More Than Us
    Our coaches have forgotten more about football at breakfast than we'll ever know. That's right. YOU ARE NOT A D-1 COACH. No, playing in high school doesn't put you on their level. App State has great coaches. You will enjoy games more if you sit back and remember that before yelling dumb things like "How 'bout THROWIN' the ball, Satterfield!!!" To quote the great David Jackson: "Their job is your weekend hobby." Life and college football season is too short to be miserable during App State games. Also remember that judging the success of a play AFTER the fact is easy. We may not agree with every decision our staff makes but if they asked any fan "okay so what play should we call next?" they would be screwed.
    App State fans can see that Satt gets better every week. He is growing up before our eyes as a head coach each week. Moreover, just because you helped coach your sons 9-year old Optimist team to a .500 record doesn't qualify you to assess our offense as "too conservative" because "we always run up the middle!" When Moore eventually busts loose for 15 yards you'll forget those comments and still look foolish. A run is not conservative. We are a running team! Nate Woody will still know more about coordinating defenses when he's dead and buried than me or you. He isn't coaching our guys to miss tackles either. Also, App State coaches have never once designed a game plan to lose. Every coach wants to put their players in position to succeed every single play. Some coaches are better than others but they're all better than the average fan.
    5 Taylor Lamb Is Good
    At least five people around me ignorantly advocated benching Taylor Lamb with the game tied in the 4th quarter. That's absolute madness. Did you notice the opposing QB throw 6 INTs? Lamb has flaws just like every other QB in football history. He has also been a flat out winner and runs our offense well. App State fans have been so spoiled by success we fail to realize that we have a QB that most of the Sun Belt envies. Lamb will never launch a ball 70 yards on a dime. On the other hand, Lamb rarely makes costly mistakes. He has led multiple clutch drives to win memorable games including last year's Camellia Bowl. Appreciate the fact that Taylor is a good college QB and better than any other option for this season.
    Being upset over a loss, an interception, fumble, bad call, ineffective playcall, or missed field goal is OKAY! But don't drift into toxic negativity.


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    A great life lesson on why "intellectuals" should watch the games at home, or read more books on Saturday's.

    What these people fail to realize is, people involved with sport are unique kinds. Most supporters spent their lives playing, coaching, volunteering, etc. It takes special kind of passion to be a player, coach or fan. Sometimes, those passions boil over and come out sounding like negativity.

    Don't get me wrong, plenty of people are ignorant and hateful; but that's true in all walks of life, especially when mass gatherings occur.

    I loathe people that tell other people how to "fan". It's a big family of passionate people, and it takes all kinds. You'll always have a drunk Uncle Marv, a gay cousin, a creepy Step-kid.. But we're all there for the same reason, we're going to see each other, so mine as we'll get used to it. If you're going to sporting events and expecting church behavior, that's on you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    A great life lesson on why "intellectuals" should watch the games at home, or read more books on Saturday's.

    What these people fail to realize is, people involved with sport are unique kinds. Most supporters spent their lives playing, coaching, volunteering, etc. It takes special kind of passion to be a player, coach or fan. Sometimes, those passions boil over and come out sounding like negativity.

    Don't get me wrong, plenty of people are ignorant and hateful; but that's true in all walks of life, especially when mass gatherings occur.

    I loathe people that tell other people how to "fan". It's a big family of passionate people, and it takes all kinds. You'll always have a drunk Uncle Marv, a gay cousin, a creepy Step-kid.. But we're all there for the same reason, we're going to see each other, so mine as we'll get used to it. If you're going to sporting events and expecting church behavior, that's on you.
    App State is used to dominating in football. The league is simply catching up to them and their fans never thought that would happen.

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    Griping about the griping fan. It's so effective.

    Business: Please come pay to watch me do this.
    Customer: Ok.
    Business: Did you just comment on how I'm doing?
    Customer: Yes.
    Business: Excuse me... but I am an expert at this. You are not. You need to clap for me, and keep your criticisms to yourself.
    Customer: See ya.
    Business: No... wait a minute. I probably spoke too fast. I like being paid for what I do. In fact, this "business" is my passion. You probably actually do something meaningful for a living... I do this. And you're right... you can watch me and say anything you want. I'm sorry... I'd like to stay in business. I'll keep my mouth shut and just perform for you. Will you come back?
    Customer: Yes. And when you're good, I'll clap. When you suck, I'll boo. You ok with that?
    Business: Yes indeed. And thank you for your patronage.
    Customer: They're getting ready to play the national anthem. Stand up, take off your hat, and put your hand over your heart.
    Business: Yes indeed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fanof71 View Post
    My App State daughter sent this to me, can't cut and paste link, so I copied this rant...guys are starting to sound like Alice shoe fans..

    Five Ways To End Toxic App State Negativity
    by The Masked Mountaineer | Oct 8, 2017 | Football | 8 comments
    Five Ways To End Toxic App State Negativity
    Yesterday I sat in my regular seat behind the visitors' bench. My wife and I joined friends with extra seats on the home side after halftime. This was my wife's first time on the home side and my first time in years. There is a troubling trend of negativity and ignorance from App State fans all around KBS. I was amazed at the shrill, ignorant, and profane garbage directed at our own team. The main problem is negativity when you boil it down. This toxic negativity MUST be addressed. But what good is pointing problems without offering solutions? Therefore, I have some suggestions for eliminating this toxic negativity from the App State fan base! If what follows offends you then you're contributing to the problem.
    I've disclosed that I'm no angel several times on this website. The best fan is guilty of spreading negativity on rare occasions. But constant negativity spreads. It starts with you, then the row in front of you, the row behind you, the section beside you, and on and on until it makes enemies and divides. It's worse with the extra layers of anonymity on social media and the Mountaineer Message Board. Recognizing this issue is the first step to being a better fan. For most of the "fans" causing the problem, this is a step to actually ENJOYING the game vs. being constantly miserable. Here are five things to understand to cure negative App State fanhood:
    1 The Other Team Tries To Win Too
    Every one of our opponents practice, watch tape, and plan to win. App State players spend hundreds of hours lifting weights, watching tape, and installing game plans each year. The Mountaineers are not unique in their preparation. Coach Satterfield and his crew will have very detailed scouting reports and have our guys ready for our opponents. We will know every formation, trick play, strength, and weakness they put on tape. Therefore, our guys are more prepared on Saturday than the most knowledgeable fan x 1,000,000.
    But guess what, folks? The other team prepares for us too! *Gasp!* Here's more shocking news: because of the whole "the other team prepares to win too" thing, not every play (or game plan) will work. NMSU set up a QB keeper all day with their zone read. I told my wife it was coming and we needed to be ready. Finally, in the 4th quarter they ran the keeper and didn't get the first down. It was a win for us! The Aggies spent three quarters setting up a run that didn't work. The point? Even a throwaway play that the average fan doesn't notice takes great discipline and planning. Every play involves 22 players and 11 of them want us to fail. Sometimes the bad guys win. Get over it!
    2 The Refs Are Not Out To Get App State
    Remove your tin foil hat and let's square this up: the officials aren't perfect and don't have an anti-App State agenda. Sun Belt officials are in the top 5% of anyone in their line of work. I've never witnessed a game where the officials LITERALLY cost us the game. Amazingly, I've heard ages 10-70 saying "I guess ______ paid these refs." An App State fan referenced how officiating cost us the game after UGA and I almost passed out from the stupidity. Comments like that are asinine. It makes our fan base look as though we have no grip on reality. We lost to a top 6 team by 21 points and it was the refs? Wake up. More recently, AJ Howard's ejection for targeting. I'm confident that he didn't target on purpose. But it was targeting! The rule was enforced properly. You sound ignorant when you blame officials for our misfortunes and teach future Mountaineers around you to make excuses. Understand this very clearly: being upset over a call is NATURAL! But when the dust settles you have to STOP putting the result of an entire game on the officials. Voice your displeasure but don't go overboard and imply conspiracy theories and bias that make ALL of us sound foolish.
    3 It's Impossible to Always Play A+ Football
    Most reading this have jobs. Some days you're at a B or C level. Those days are tough to be as productive as you'd like. Similarly, our football team has B and C days. Yesterday was a C day for our front 7 as they gave up too many big plays and missed several tackles. Luckily our corners played A+ football. Fortunately, we are usually able to overcome these types of games (Texas State another example). But we often forget our players are between 18 and 24 years old. Have you considered that as you chastise them for penalties or lacks of focus? For those of you that have kids this age: would you ever stand for an adult screaming at your kid for not doing something they're good at perfectly every time?
    Lineman will miss a block. Safeties will take a bad angle to the ball. Linebackers will miss a tackle. Young men make mistakes. Maybe they're struggling in a class. They could be nursing an injury. Perhaps a long-term girlfriend dumped them. Every one of those reasons are real and make their way onto the field at one point or another. Current Oklahoma Assistant Head Coach and Former App State Defensive Coordinator Ruffin McNeill referenced players having girl problems in a recent BGP episode. So when a player going through a personal issue makes a mistake, luckily they get a grown adult yelling "constructive criticism" at them such as "CATCH THE BALL FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE!" or "MAKE A BLOCK OR GET OFF THE FIELD!" Great insight, Belichick.
    The word "fan" implies support. That means every time you scream at a 20-year old kicker for missing an extra point to beat a P5 team while you made exactly 0 contributions you're objectively being a terrible fan. Young men need unconditional support more than ever when they struggle. Side note: Booing Rubino is a garbage move and you should re-evaluate that decision. He doesn't miss on purpose. Booing him increases the pressure AND likelihood he'll miss more kicks. Again, it's NATURAL to be extremely frustrated that Rubino misses important kicks. Anyone suggesting that you shouldn't be upset when a kicker misses a chip shot is mentally ill. But that's NOT THE POINT. Never, ever, ever, ever BOO a KID that you supposedly support.
    4 100% of Our Coaches Know More Than Us
    Our coaches have forgotten more about football at breakfast than we'll ever know. That's right. YOU ARE NOT A D-1 COACH. No, playing in high school doesn't put you on their level. App State has great coaches. You will enjoy games more if you sit back and remember that before yelling dumb things like "How 'bout THROWIN' the ball, Satterfield!!!" To quote the great David Jackson: "Their job is your weekend hobby." Life and college football season is too short to be miserable during App State games. Also remember that judging the success of a play AFTER the fact is easy. We may not agree with every decision our staff makes but if they asked any fan "okay so what play should we call next?" they would be screwed.
    App State fans can see that Satt gets better every week. He is growing up before our eyes as a head coach each week. Moreover, just because you helped coach your sons 9-year old Optimist team to a .500 record doesn't qualify you to assess our offense as "too conservative" because "we always run up the middle!" When Moore eventually busts loose for 15 yards you'll forget those comments and still look foolish. A run is not conservative. We are a running team! Nate Woody will still know more about coordinating defenses when he's dead and buried than me or you. He isn't coaching our guys to miss tackles either. Also, App State coaches have never once designed a game plan to lose. Every coach wants to put their players in position to succeed every single play. Some coaches are better than others but they're all better than the average fan.
    5 Taylor Lamb Is Good
    At least five people around me ignorantly advocated benching Taylor Lamb with the game tied in the 4th quarter. That's absolute madness. Did you notice the opposing QB throw 6 INTs? Lamb has flaws just like every other QB in football history. He has also been a flat out winner and runs our offense well. App State fans have been so spoiled by success we fail to realize that we have a QB that most of the Sun Belt envies. Lamb will never launch a ball 70 yards on a dime. On the other hand, Lamb rarely makes costly mistakes. He has led multiple clutch drives to win memorable games including last year's Camellia Bowl. Appreciate the fact that Taylor is a good college QB and better than any other option for this season.
    Being upset over a loss, an interception, fumble, bad call, ineffective playcall, or missed field goal is OKAY! But don't drift into toxic negativity.
    That guy straight up wrote a manifesto ... Fan, how the hell did your daughter end up in the mountains??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunsmike View Post
    App State is used to dominating in football. The league is simply catching up to them and their fans never thought that would happen.
    The league isn't catching up, they're falling back. That's what happens in the SBC football, and basketball.

    Softball and baseball are led by coaches wanting to compete at an elite level. Lazy coaches are exposed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angeleast View Post
    That guy straight up wrote a manifesto ... Fan, how the hell did your daughter end up in the mountains??
    We live about 70 miles south of Boone, wife is from western n.c., moved there 20 years ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunEXPRESS View Post
    The league isn't catching up, they're falling back.
    This is the Sun Belt model.

    Easy to recruit to the move up.
    Hard to recruit to the reality that is the Sun Belt.

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    Did you guys see the story about the Georgia Southern AD commenting that their former sucess had made their fans disillusioned? I thought Farmer had accepted a job in West Texas?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunfanatico View Post
    Did you guys see the story about the Georgia Southern AD commenting that their former sucess had made their fans disillusioned? I thought Farmer had accepted a job in West Texas?
    ........A quick visit to LTUR-ville showed those wanting to now get rid of Holtz......fired coaches and those that will be fired!!! Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomer View Post
    ........A quick visit to LTUR-ville showed those wanting to now get rid of Holtz......fired coaches and those that will be fired!!! Lol
    Nah....it's not as much skippy's fault, it's all on the the refs. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaCajunsFan View Post
    Nah....it's not as much skippy's fault, it's all on the the refs. LOL
    There's a conspiracy between Coosa and UAB to screw the Necksters. Try ro keep up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunfanatico View Post
    There's a conspiracy between Coosa and UAB to screw the Necksters. Try ro keep up.
    Yep....there's even a name for it: C-UAB.
    LOL

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    Therefore, our guys are more prepared on Saturday than the most knowledgeable fan x 1,000,000.

    Doubt that sometimes with our staff


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    Quote Originally Posted by LaCajunsFan View Post
    Yep....there's even a name for it: C-UAB.
    LOL
    The best one I read was UAB's band chanting, "we have football", LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunfanatico View Post
    Did you guys see the story about the Georgia Southern AD commenting that their former sucess had made their fans disillusioned? I thought Farmer had accepted a job in West Texas?
    There's only one way for ADs and coaches to reduce expectations of fans... get rid of fans. A lot of them work hard to do that... but they won't come out and say that's what they're doing. ADs and coaches haven't quite figured out how to both build maximum fan support for a program... and also get by with insulting the fans. It's a conundrum they grapple with continuously. They think they can recruit other fans to "work on those fans". They simply do not understand... no one actually takes direction from cheerleaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunfanatico View Post
    There's a conspiracy between Coosa and UAB to screw the Necksters. Try ro keep up.
    Geez that is a delusional bunch of clowns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunfanatico View Post
    The best one I read was UAB's band chanting, "we have football", LOL
    Yeah....what a perfect, text book example of karma. And the thing about that chanting by the @rustons mutts was that it was not done by fans, but by the band, so kind of school sanctioned. And like the Uab fans had an option in loosing fb. Those mutts are are on a par with the possums, I tell ya.....both real class acts.

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    Tech has had 3 of their 6 games decided by 1 point! In those games they are 1-2...brutal.


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