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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRebel View Post
    The Pepperdine game was nice, and I'm pretty sure it's something we try to work out every year. But realistically the odds of getting 4 schools (2 of them P5) to coordinate with us is very low. Those two P5 schools don't care. There's nothing in it for them. They just pay schools to come in and play.

    And again, look at LSU's OOC schedule this year and tell me which school you'd actually be excited about playing. Which school would be worth the extra day away from class and the added expense of air travel and hotel rooms? UNCW is doing really well, but a school like that won't generate fan interest and you can never be sure how good they'll be year to year. Mid major schools tend to peak for a year or two and fall back to the mean. Stephen F Austin had an absolutely killer few years. But last year they were 203 in the RPI.
    It was just an idea to help RPI and yeah I think it would be tough to coordinate as well. What you bring up is the point that has been argued on this topic before, bring a school like UNCW to the Cajundome on a random Tuesday in December and your not getting any more people there than what would show up to see Southeastern LA so what is the point of going through all of the trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatch View Post
    It was just an idea to help RPI and yeah I think it would be tough to coordinate as well. What you bring up is the point that has been argued on this topic before, bring a school like UNCW to the Cajundome on a random Tuesday in December and your not getting any more people there than what would show up to see Southeastern LA so what is the point of going through all of the trouble.
    Sure, and it's not a bad idea. I was just hashing out the hurdles to it.

    I don't know how often this actually happens in college basketball, but l wish we'd consider playing La Tech home and away every year, especially while we both have good programs. It's a great rivalry, close drive, and both teams see a nice bump in attendance when they play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeauxLouisiana View Post
    Let's look at a couple other close non-P5 schools OOC schedules and the opponent's 2016 final RPI ranking.

    LA Tech (since VO and his son love everything that Tech has done lately, except make the NCAA tournament)
    vs. UT-Tyler (non D1), SEMO (275), Montana State (255), Miles College (non D1), Stephen F. Austin (206), Jackson State (322), UL (114)
    at Alabama (82), Texas (156)
    Tournaments- George Mason (123), Evansville(192)/Fresno State (77) (Cancun); Alabama State (342), Liberty (167)/Ft. Wayne (171) (NOLA)

    Houston:
    vs. McNeese (314), UNLV (239), UNO (161), Arkansas (28), Fairfield (183), Prairie View A&M (306)
    at St. Louis (247), LSU (195)
    Tournaments- Drexel (309), Mercer (196)/Liberty (167) (Lynchburg, VA); Providence (61) (Uncassville, CT)
    They also play an exhibition against Lynn College in Boca Raton on 11/13.

    Rice:
    vs. Wayland Baptist (non D1), St. Thomas (non D1), UTRGV (315), St. Edwards (non D1), Texas State (172)
    at Northwestern State (303), UT-Arlington (40), Stephen F. Austin (206), Texas Tech (122), New Mexico (87)
    Tournaments- UNLV (239), Mississippi (68)/Utah (96) (Las Vegas); Eastern Kentucky (252), Georgia State (106) (first round games of Las Vegas tournament to be played at Rice)

    This got tiring seeing the crappy schedules that schools similar to us have for OOC games. But that's none of my business now.

    Who would you rather be?

    TEAM A
    2012: 27-7
    2013: 29-8
    2014: 27-9
    2015: 23-10
    2016: 23-10

    TEAM B
    2012: 13-20
    2013: 23-13
    2014: 22-14
    2015: 19-15
    2016: 21-12

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajun4life View Post
    Who would you rather be?

    TEAM A
    2012: 27-7
    2013: 29-8
    2014: 27-9
    2015: 23-10
    2016: 23-10

    TEAM B
    2012: 13-20
    2013: 23-13
    2014: 22-14
    2015: 19-15
    2016: 21-12
    Team B. 1 NCAA tournament appearance and 3-1 vs Team A.

    Here are OOC SOS rankings you left out.

    Team A
    2012: 190
    2013: 242
    2014: 143
    2015: 164
    2016: 200

    Team B
    2012: 179
    2013: 70
    2014: 81
    2015: 84
    2016: 264

    Looks like Tech is padding that record with a weak schedule OOC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeauxLouisiana View Post
    Let's look at a couple other close non-P5 schools OOC schedules and the opponent's 2016 final RPI ranking.

    LA Tech (since VO and his son love everything that Tech has done lately, except make the NCAA tournament)
    vs. UT-Tyler (non D1), SEMO (275), Montana State (255), Miles College (non D1), Stephen F. Austin (206), Jackson State (322), UL (114)
    at Alabama (82), Texas (156)
    Tournaments- George Mason (123), Evansville(192)/Fresno State (77) (Cancun); Alabama State (342), Liberty (167)/Ft. Wayne (171) (NOLA)

    Houston:
    vs. McNeese (314), UNLV (239), UNO (161), Arkansas (28), Fairfield (183), Prairie View A&M (306)
    at St. Louis (247), LSU (195)
    Tournaments- Drexel (309), Mercer (196)/Liberty (167) (Lynchburg, VA); Providence (61) (Uncassville, CT)
    They also play an exhibition against Lynn College in Boca Raton on 11/13.

    Rice:
    vs. Wayland Baptist (non D1), St. Thomas (non D1), UTRGV (315), St. Edwards (non D1), Texas State (172)
    at Northwestern State (303), UT-Arlington (40), Stephen F. Austin (206), Texas Tech (122), New Mexico (87)
    Tournaments- UNLV (239), Mississippi (68)/Utah (96) (Las Vegas); Eastern Kentucky (252), Georgia State (106) (first round games of Las Vegas tournament to be played at Rice)

    This got tiring seeing the crappy schedules that schools similar to us have for OOC games. But that's none of my business now.
    What you seem to be missing here is that I have absolutely zero interest in what teams any other school schedules unless it gives me ideas on how to improve my school's scheduling practices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRebel View Post
    The Pepperdine game was nice, and I'm pretty sure it's something we try to work out every year. But realistically the odds of getting 4 schools (2 of them P5) to coordinate with us is very low. Those two P5 schools don't care. There's nothing in it for them. They just pay schools to come in and play.

    And again, look at LSU's OOC schedule this year and tell me which school you'd actually be excited about playing. Which school would be worth the extra day away from class and the added expense of air travel and hotel rooms? UNCW is doing really well, but a school like that won't generate fan interest and you can never be sure how good they'll be year to year. Mid major schools tend to peak for a year or two and fall back to the mean. Stephen F Austin had an absolutely killer few years. But last year they were 203 in the RPI.
    I don't buy Jay Walker's company line that having good teams play here won't improve attendance; but even if it doesn't, that isn't why I want to schedule good teams anyway.

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    We recently signed home/home with La Tech and Pepperdine. Unfortunately both home games vs. these teams were last year. This year we are on the road vs Tech and the year before we were on the road vs Pepperdine. I don't disagree with you, we all want better home schedules. But we are not the only mid major struggling to do this.

    I think our road/neutral schedule is very good this year:

    Ole Miss
    Iowa
    Wyoming/South Dakota State
    Another game in the Cayman Island Classic
    La Tech
    Clemson
    Also Nicholls

    At home:

    McNeese will be much better this year than last, not saying alot, but they will be better
    Savannah State beat Oregon State last year, don't know how good the will be
    Loyola/La College These games suck on our schedule, wish we would replace them with anyone
    SLU has improved from 9-23 in 2014/15, to 12-21 in 2015/2016 and last year 16-16. They are bound to be improved this year again.

    This might be putting lipstick on a pig, but I think if you ask any mid major basketball coach they will say the same thing. Scheduling is the hardest thing they do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by VObserver View Post
    What you seem to be missing here is that I have absolutely zero interest in what teams any other school schedules unless it gives me ideas on how to improve my school's scheduling practices.
    But it helps correlate that non-P5 schools have difficulty in scheduling good home games in basketball. Look at what 2 CUSA schools, one of which has a ton of money to spend and is located in a city with a major aiport, and an AAC school with a rich basketball history have scheduled for 2017.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VObserver View Post
    I don't buy Jay Walker's company line that having good teams play here won't improve attendance; but even if it doesn't, that isn't why I want to schedule good teams anyway.
    You don't have to buy the company line. You just have to look at the attendance numbers of when teams like Tennessee, Houston, LA Tech, Nevada have played here. The biggest attendance game of the last decade was against flippin Denver. Why did fans go to that game? It was the 10th game of the 11 game winning streak at the end of the 2011 season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeauxLouisiana View Post
    You don't have to buy the company line. You just have to look at the attendance numbers of when teams like Tennessee, Houston, LA Tech, Nevada have played here. The biggest attendance game of the last decade was against flippin Denver. Why did fans go to that game? It was the 10th game of the 11 game winning streak at the end of the 2011 season.
    That's because we weren't good then.
    You people think having "good" teams coming in should equal attendance, which is imbecilic.
    You think people are showing up to see us get wrecked?
    No. People show up when they believe their team has a reasonable shot a victory.

    This is a tired argument.

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    Lets imagine you have a very successful program with a very good RPI and since you have a very good RPI there are a number of teams who are willing to play you home & home. Man, that would be the days.........................................................


    Sounds like softball and baseball, right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GeauxLouisiana View Post
    You don't have to buy the company line. You just have to look at the attendance numbers of when teams like Tennessee, Houston, LA Tech, Nevada have played here. The biggest attendance game of the last decade was against flippin Denver. Why did fans go to that game? It was the 10th game of the 11 game winning streak at the end of the 2011 season.


    It's not about attendance, not about victories, it's about developing teams worthy of at large bids, teams that can actually win some games in the NCAA tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    That's because we weren't good then.
    You people think having "good" teams coming in should equal attendance, which is imbecilic.
    You think people are showing up to see us get wrecked?
    No. People show up when they believe their team has a reasonable shot a victory.

    This is a tired argument.
    Which is the point that a few posters have made. Bringing in better teams does not equal better attendance. Some posters here feel that by paying better teams (see P5/upper G5 schools) more money, the attendance will go up. It won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeauxLouisiana View Post
    Which is the point that a few posters have made. Bringing in better teams does not equal better attendance. Some posters here feel that by paying better teams (see P5/upper G5 schools) more money, the attendance will go up. It won't.
    It's a combination of both.
    You have to win AND schedule good teams at home.
    That's the only formula.

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    Get better at basketball and everything else will take care of itself.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hark Mudspeth View Post
    Get better at basketball and everything else will take care of itself.
    Exactly! Marlin has underachieved. Basketball is probably the one sport where we could be the primier team in Louisiana. But we haven't bought enough players. Not do we have a coach that could get us to that level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajun4life View Post
    Exactly! Marlin has underachieved. Basketball is probably the one sport where we could be the primier team in Louisiana. But we haven't bought enough players. Not do we have a coach that could get us to that level.
    With the latest scandal hitting NCAA basketball last week, I'm hoping we haven't bought any players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeauxLouisiana View Post
    With the latest scandal hitting NCAA basketball last week, I'm hoping we haven't bought any players.
    Even if we did we aren't getting our moneys worth. But my statement was sarcasm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VObserver View Post
    I don't buy Jay Walker's company line that having good teams play here won't improve attendance; but even if it doesn't, that isn't why I want to schedule good teams anyway.
    You should've been there!" is the only walk away quote that will begin to attract fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeauxLouisiana View Post
    Which is the point that a few posters have made. Bringing in better teams does not equal better attendance. Some posters here feel that by paying better teams (see P5/upper G5 schools) more money, the attendance will go up. It won't.
    I don't care at this point if UNC W draws less than Mc Neuse. I care that we challenge our team to improve and that we play games with the idea, no matter how unrealistic, that we can improve our RPI enough to earn an at large NCAA bid. Even if we fail, and have to get in by winning the conference, it might be as a 10 seed instead of as a 14, giving us hugely improved chances of winning a tournament game.

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