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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    With all due respect there is a fire Hud thread but you don't seem to mind the piling over of Hud's shortcomings in your a kid is transferring thread.
    If it's a big problem, go ahead and add the comments to the other thread. At least it seems you've grown some balls and are allowing us to actually discuss what the hell is going on around here for a change.

    I've also only answered other posters in this thread.

    ALSO, I'm not piling on to anything. I'm simply stating facts, and discussing chatter amongst football players and people close to our subject matter. I know you hate inconvenient truths, but there is no need to get snappy with me, puddin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    I'm gunna try to do this quickly, busy today.
    Was just texting with Mel, and we kinda worked our way though those numbers.

    In 2014/2015, season ticket sales hit 13700+, but we'll use 13700. Average ticket price, low to high, came out to $213 a package. This number is not including corporate, family 5 pack, or suite sales.

    13700 x $213 = $2.91 Mil

    This year, we're right at 7100 ticket sales (which btw, is La Tech / Tualne bad)

    7100 x $213 = $1.5 Mil / 5 home games (we're extrapolating opening night over the course of the season. Atually could get worse.)

    The difference is approx $280k per game in losses.

    Also, considering modest number of walk up sales, tailgating losses, concessions (which we do not receive but maybe 20% of, I'm aware). Easily can add $130k per game.

    That difference is easily over $400k PER GAME. We still don't have all the revenue figures, but that $500k figure didn't just appear out of thin air.

    So, can we afford to buyout our HC? More like, can we afford to keep him?
    I agree with the number of season tickets sold, but you need to include ALL tickets sold when comparing revenue to tickets sold. Also, season ticket revenue is $135/ticket in reserved seating.
    The rest goes to the Foundation for the Excellence Fund.

    Season ticket sales dropped by 6,600 with a ticket price of $135, that's a drop of $891,000 ($162,000 per game; I used 5.5 games as we only have 5 this year versus 6 in previous years). Still not a good sign for this program as our program was one of the best G5 progrmas at generating ticket sales revenue. I'd say we have a generous amount of walkup sales. If season ticket sales are only 7,100, then we had around 11,000 gameday sales on September 2 (attendance was around 18,000).

    The $500k didn't appear at of thin air, but was overstated by the OP to further drive home his point. My thing is, I'd like to see a more accurate number.

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    I would agree that the drop in revenue per game has to be fairly significant. The first 2 years of Hud's tenure had people really fired up about the football program. People that had almost never stepped foot in Cajun Field previously were showing interest and could feel the excitement. There were really good crowds the first several years and I think most people felt things were finally going in the right direction.

    These days you can see the frustration in peoples demeanor, you can see the decreased attendance, you can see the lack of enthusiasm. The race is over with this horse, time to start looking in the stable.


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    No one can argue against the fact that losing games cost the school money.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GeauxLouisiana View Post
    I agree with the number of season tickets sold, but you need to include ALL tickets sold when comparing revenue to tickets sold. Also, season ticket revenue is $135/ticket in reserved seating.
    The rest goes to the Foundation for the Excellence Fund.

    Season ticket sales dropped by 6,600 with a ticket price of $135, that's a drop of $891,000 ($162,000 per game; I used 5.5 games as we only have 5 this year versus 6 in previous years). Still not a good sign for this program as our program was one of the best G5 progrmas at generating ticket sales revenue. I'd say we have a generous amount of walkup sales. If season ticket sales are only 7,100, then we had around 11,000 gameday sales on September 2 (attendance was around 18,000).

    The $500k didn't appear at of thin air, but was overstated by the OP to further drive home his point. My thing is, I'd like to see a more accurate number.
    Fair enough. Again, I wasn't given specific item line numbers.
    Even using your numbers, we end up somewhere between 330k and 380k.
    Times 5 this year but usually 6 games per year..

    It's still $1.75 Mil to $2.1 Mil in potential losses. For this program, that's awfully concerning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    If it's a big problem, go ahead and add the comments to the other thread. At least it seems you've grown some balls and are allowing us to actually discuss what the hell is going on around here for a change.

    I've also only answered other posters in this thread.

    ALSO, I'm not piling on to anything. I'm simply stating facts, and discussing chatter amongst football players and people close to our subject matter. I know you hate inconvenient truths, but there is no need to get snappy with me, puddin'.
    Some of us are credulous, some are incredulous.

    I'm struggling to comprehend the big deal here in this current situation and reading about past failings isn't clearing it up for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    Some of us are credulous, some are incredulous.

    I'm struggling to comprehend the big deal here in this current situation and reading about past failings isn't clearing it up for me.
    You're struggling to understand how a kid being run off for not playing injured is a big deal?

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    This is starting to stink.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    You're struggling to understand how a kid being run off for not playing injured his a big deal?
    I'm struggling to believe that angle.

    He did play.

    Did he take himself out.

    Players want to test the extent of their recovery all the time.

    No two individuals can be handled the same way.

    Players quit for not being allowed on the field.

    Players quit for being urged onto the field.

    I'm struggling to grasp this story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    I'm struggling to believe that angle.

    He did play.

    Did he take himself out.

    Players want to test the extent of their recovery all the time.

    No two individuals can be handled the same way.

    Players quit for not being allowed on the field.

    Players quit for being urged onto the field.

    I'm struggling to grasp this story.
    The "reason" given was he was upset about playing time. The official stance of the staff is "he wanted to play and we wound't allow him to play, so he quit."

    That doesn't jive at all with you theory. Unless you want to move around things to make it jive.

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    Huds been on record saying we need this guy. He started game 1. He was injured and allegedly told at halftime that he either plays through injury or he won't see the field again. He plays a little bit (a few drives?) in the second half.

    And then he transfers because of playing time?...

    After game #2 of a 12 game season....


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    Not trying to stir the pot or take sides, but one thing I don't understand. If he was hurt, why was he dressed out for game? Did he dress at halftime because of ultimatum?

    GEAUX CAJUNS!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Hutthole View Post
    This is starting to stink.
    When is Farty Mletcher showing up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    The "reason" given was he was upset about playing time. The official stance of the staff is "he wanted to play and we wound't allow him to play, so he quit."

    That doesn't jive at all with you theory. Unless you want to move around things to make it jive.
    I'm not countering anything you said, just trying to understand.

    Sometimes there is a fear of getting back on the horse.

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    I don't believe that anyone on this board really knows 100% the reason(s) behind why Holmes left the program. Not sure which theory I would believe more either.

    I do believe that if you take a poll, much more than 50% would play injured in a heartbeat without being pushed onto the field from a coach. That is what athletes do. They want to play and they want to compete.

    Regardless, the kid left. We need LBs. Hell, we need a defense. My support for Hud has gone more because of his actions, or lack there of, around locker room and off the field incidents.


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    ok, MAT, you are telling us that you know for sure that this player was diagnosed as injured and advised not to play by a medical Doctor or trainer? Or did he refuse to play after being cleared by Doctors and or trainers.

    Which was it?

    Are you also saying that you know for sure that he was then told by a coach or coaches to play or else he's off the team?


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    Quote Originally Posted by alum81 View Post
    ok, MAT, you are telling us that you know for sure that this player was diagnosed as injured and advised not to play by a medical Doctor or trainer? Or did he refuse to play after being cleared by Doctors and or trainers.

    Which was it?

    Are you also saying that you know for sure that he was then told by a coach or coaches to play or else he's off the team?
    What kinda question is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    Zeph, have you read any of this thread? Have you paid any attention to the lead up to this season?

    Anyone who believes Holmes quit over "playing time" is an outright fool.
    Yes, i have kept up with everything. I simply stated that it doesn't jive with the assertion that he left the program due to playing time when he was a starter. The injury incident doesn't sound all that credible only because nobody knows the extent of his injuries and nobody knows what was said behind closed doors which is why it is a big mystery to everyone here. Why is it that you have to constantly attack those who question things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    You're struggling to understand how a kid being run off for not playing injured is a big deal?
    You wrote this right? I am asking if you know that's what happened. You have a way of always insinuating that you know things. It's a straight forward question about what you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    You're struggling to understand how a kid being run off for not playing injured is a big deal?
    A kid being asked to play injured is reason for termination. Injured means something is broken, torn or pulled badly. If he had none of those real issues that show up on X-ray, MRI or doctors examination and just had some pain that he was asked to play through that is a different story. Do you know the extent of his "injury"?

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