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    Quote Originally Posted by Just1More View Post
    1. You aren't "tarnishing memories". Even if Bozo the Clown were our coach, we'd have athletes to respect. Respecting some of the athletes has nothing to do with whether the fan base should begin pressuring the leadership to plan for a coaching change. Do we run a dumpster fire of a program... under coaches that don't have it... just to embrace an athlete or four?
    2. Mike is right... that this thread and bashing the coach is pointless... except to vent. And that is the sad reality of our existence. Even when we need to dump a coach... we can't. Hud could have gone 0-12 last year... and be set to go 0-12 this year... and Mike would be right about this thread. But it in no way invalidates the examination of Hud's 7 years and where we are right now.
    3. "We weren't supposed to win last night or next week" is precisely why we are all mad. When Hud came in 7 years ago... and blew reams of "sleeping giant" smoke up our rear ends... who thought we'd give up 60+ to Tulsa in year 7... and have fans defend it?
    4. Unless one of you has the power to actually shut down the year and regroup... threads like this are perfectly fine. Those of you wearing lace around your underwear need to stop being frightened by upset fans. We aren't storming Cajun Field with pitch forks. This is a forum to vent and discuss the disgust of our football coaching ineptness.
    5. And once again... there is no distinction between "he can't coach... but he can recruit" and "he can't recruit... but he can coach". That's like saying "he can make the car go fast... but he can't drive". Coaches that can coach don't have trouble recruiting... and coaches that recruit don't have trouble coaching. Keep that in your fan playbook... and it will keep you from making dumb statements about college coaches.

    We've been getting heated up about Hud... and there's no reason we shouldn't. He's choosing the staff and the athletes with that staff. It's on him. All of it. Hud barely edged out a win over SLU at Cajun Field... and gave up 60+ to Tulsa. Year 7 fact.
    Good points.

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    This program may not be able to recover if we keep Hud, timing is not on our side.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ULGrad@HOU View Post
    This program may not be able to recover if we keep Hud, timing is not on our side.
    At one point we were all afraid someone was going to scoop HUD right out of here. So we could not wait to throw money at him with a long term contract. My how things have changed.

    Maybe this can be a lesson learned. No head football coach has ever left here for another college head coaching job. Let Dr. M construct all future contracts with that in mind. Jmo

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    If today is the day after the season, you fire the D.C. and find one HUD can turn the defense over until he can be bought out (unless no longer necessary).

    The picture is simpler (or at least I hope so) with no institutional interference. Players, coaching staff, an adjunct fundraising organization to get resources.

    We have a professional CEO AD whose job is to provide as needed and all the University President has to do is pay him.

    I'm hopeful we're headed in that direction, so the fans support won't end 10+ years before the University finally does something.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragin9221 View Post
    This will be the Cajuns fans next week when they hang 100 on us

    This is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by California Cajun View Post
    If today is the day after the season, you fire the D.C. and find one HUD can turn the defense over until he can be bought out (unless) no longer necessary.

    The picture is simpler (or at least I hope so) with no institutional interference. Players, coaching staff, an adjunct fundraising organization to get resources.
    I would not trust Hud to be able to find a good DC, hasn't happened yet, and I think the bigger problem is talent, this crew cannot recruit. Coaching can only take you so far, I don't really think Lucas is a bad coach. Hud CANNOT RECRUIT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunrunner View Post
    Maybe...but is he worth the salary??
    Well you think we're going 10-2 so you certainly think he is...right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ULGrad@HOU View Post
    I would not trust Hud to be able to find a good DC, hasn't happened yet, and I think the bigger problem is talent, this crew cannot recruit. Coaching can only take you so far, I don't really think Lucas is a bad coach. Hud CANNOT RECRUIT.
    Sorry for my edits after my post. Your post suggests that changing the head coach needs to be top change needing to be made. Maybe the wheels of change will move faster these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrockMeaux View Post
    Not absolving them. But those are the issues on defense in my opinion. We know that Lucas can scheme, especially against the run, based on last year's results. Losing two veterans key to stopping the run hurt. But that's basically been the book on Hud since he got here: great motivator, keep him away from X's and O's, and we haven't seen the development we want from guys that have the talent to be great.
    I was most disappointed in the scheme. A team like Tulsa who is breaking in a new QB and is a run first team, I would think you would overload the line and work in blitz schemes and work in more movement in the DL like stunts and shifts where you are constantly putting pressure on the OL and putting the QB under more pressure to make good throws, even if that means going man to man on outside. In other words, play the run harder and make them beat you with the passing game which we really never did. I believe the defense can dictate how things go by ratcheting up the pressure up front and disrupting the QB's rhythm. We NEVER did this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ULGrad@HOU View Post
    I would not trust Hud to be able to find a good DC, hasn't happened yet, and I think the bigger problem is talent, this crew cannot recruit. Coaching can only take you so far, I don't really think Lucas is a bad coach. Hud CANNOT RECRUIT.
    Partially right. Everyone forgets that we've been stripped of several scholarships the last few years. And for those that think losing scholarships isn't a big deal, look around the country. It took USC 8 years to come back from it. Miami still isn't back.

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    And btw, those that think a coaching change is impossible at the end of this season... couldn't be more wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MetryCajun View Post
    As usual CajunsMike is a voice of reason. The coach is not getting fired mid season. You get fired in season for borderline criminal activity or massive underachieving. Neither are happening at this time.
    I know I am in the minority but I actually think HUD and his staff are good coaches but horrible recruiters and talent evaluators. Over the past 7 years anytime we have good personnel we seem to have success on that side of the ball. It looks like we finally have a division 1 QB and an OL who can move so now we look competent. Presently we have a dearth (or too young) of talent on Defense and we look like keystone cops. To be clear I do think the lack of talent falls on Huds shoulders.
    Moving forward HUD needs to either get a new recruiting coordinator or revamp how he targets recruits. If not, he will certainly soon be out of a job.
    This defense is truly an anomaly. Just about all of the guys starting on defense played significant minutes or started on a nationally ranked defense last year. The DL has been terrible but all of these guys were involved and/or started last year. It's easy to point to the LB'ers as the reason and they are a part of it as losing Peters and Lightfoot is not an easy task but all of these guys in the front 7 are literally losing every one on one battle in the running game. Guys are getting pancaked and pushed around and that doesn't allow you to make plays. I think we are simply running way too much base defense up front. We have no DL movement, few blitzes and when we do blitz, its always in a 3rd and long situation which is obvious. HUD stated he wanted to run more base stuff this week because the guys were inconsistent in the scheme last week but they simply were outmatched and couldn't win the battles. Its one or the other. You either go more base but have to be able to win those matchups (we can't) or you employ a more attacking system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alum81 View Post
    At one point we were all afraid someone was going to scoop HUD right out of here. So we could not wait to throw money at him with a long term contract. My how things have changed.

    Maybe this can be a lesson learned. No head football coach has ever left here for another college head coaching job. Let Dr. M construct all future contracts with that in mind. Jmo
    Yes....When you are at the bottom of FBS, like we were, and you rise to about midway, like we did, and then you fall back to the bottom, like we are. That's when the realization hits that while it looked like we were on our way to be a relevant football program, that quickly turned and we need to try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunsmike View Post
    Hud's contract runs through 2020 and no, we do not have the money to buy him out. It is my strong opinion that unless we go 3 and 9 or worse, a replacement won't be considered. A change may not even be made at that point. I know the point which will come next, "it costs more to keep him than replace him". That is due to the lost support belief. That misses one thing, you still have to find someone or a combination of folks to write the check. That is likely around 2 million dollars. In this economy, no one will do that. Therefore, I think threads like this are pointless and accomplish nothing other than helping people vent. Having said all this does not mean I think we are getting our money's worth. We should have better results as our staff is one of the most highly compensated in our league. Finally, I don't think the defensive staff forgot how to coach and they were fairly successful a year ago. I conclude the talent on that side of the ball is fairly lacking and I question how much they can improve. That is a shame as our offense is vastly improved. Their future is bright as almost that entire unit returns next season. Can reinforcements be brought in to help the defense will tell the tale on next year. At this stage we will just have to outscore people to have any success in 2017.
    The coaches didn't forget how to coach but the personnel on the defense was there last year to when we had a highly rated defense. I think its the scheme. We have to attack the line of scrimmage more on defense. We have to stunt and blitz more...Period. This defense is not good enough to win the battles up front and play base. We will have to take more chances and attack more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by California Cajun View Post
    If today is the day after the season, you fire the D.C. and find one HUD can turn the defense over until he can be bought out (unless) no longer necessary.

    The picture is simpler (or at least I hope so) with no institutional interference. Players, coaching staff, an adjunct fundraising organization to get resources.
    Unless things change during the season, like our defense is brought back from the dead, then I think you are right on the money. No pun intended

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr View Post
    The coaches didn't forget how to coach but the personnel on the defense was there last year to when we had a highly rated defense. I think its the scheme. We have to attack the line of scrimmage more on defense. We have to stunt and blitz more...Period. This defense is not good enough to win the battles up front and play base. We will have to take more chances and attack more.
    You thinking our old Vic Eumont style of someones band gonna play attacking style?

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    You thinking our old Vic Eumont style of someones band gonna play attacking style?
    I'm not understanding your post fully but if you are asking me if I think we need to attack, my absolute answer is yes. aTm next week is the same thing. A run first team who has a young QB starting and I think we need to attack the LOS and make him beat you in the passing game. If he starts doing that, you adjust but we need to show that they can't just beat us by running the ball altogether but we are in for a long season by running base 3-4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr View Post
    I'm not understanding your post fully but if you are asking me if I think we need to attack, my absolute answer is yes. aTm next week is the same thing. A run first team who has a young QB starting and I think we need to attack the LOS and make him beat you in the passing game. If he starts doing that, you adjust but we need to show that they can't just beat us by running the ball altogether but we are in for a long season by running base 3-4.
    Yes. I'm agreeing with ya . Vic Eumont's defence back in the day was one blitz happy bunch. It produced also and made the most of the talent we had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angeleast View Post
    Yes. I'm agreeing with ya . Vic Eumont's defence back in the day was one blitz happy bunch. It produced also and made the most of the talent we had.
    Gotcha, didn't know that name. It's obvious to me that this defense will have to take some chances to make plays. We aren't going to do it by winning matchups on a consistent basis.

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    It's a damn shame. I'm starting to really like this offense. I also thought Lucas was a positive addition to our defensive staff. Giving this defense the "Otha Excuse" doesn't cut it with me. People are supposed to love playing defense and wreaking havoc. We don't wreak havoc. If Havoc were an opponent ball carrier... he would have just run past our defense as I write this... for another touchdown. Again... with this offense shaping up... it's a damn shame.


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