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    wait, I remember reading this same thread before, it was around the time the Aussie punter left. dé·jà vu


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    Quote Originally Posted by AstroCajun View Post
    Not directed necessarily at you MAT, but there's alot of arm chair lawyering going on around here.

    Just because a case can be stated for cause, doesn't mean that it will be accepted as such.

    I'd imagine that you'll have to add some dollars to the defense fund for wrongful termination.

    Just because a claim for wrongful termination may not in the end be meritorious, in my experience that's never prevented a litigant from raising it.

    Think of this this way, if you were being paid a million per year and were terminated for "cause" (and thus being offered zero on your guaranteed buyout) you can't convince me you'd walk away from that without a fight.

    Just being the devil's notary on all this.

    It's foolish to think otherwise.
    You could be completely correct. I'm not a lawyer. I'm more focused on bringing the Holmes story to light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alum81 View Post
    wait, I remember reading this same thread before, it was around the time the Aussie punter left. dé·jà vu
    Yep

    The names have been changed to protect the winocent.

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    I think what we are seeing here is that Saunders actually ran the football program. First four years he was here 2011-2014 and we went 9-4 then downhill from there (record wise) with him no longer with the program.


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    I think that with the increase in pay Hud felt he had to do MORE to earn his pay, and started micromanaging to a greater extent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by studentfan View Post
    I think what we are seeing here is that Saunders actually ran the football program. First four years he was here 2011-2014 and we went 9-4 then downhill from there (record wise) with him no longer with the program.
    Recruiting has tailed off dramatically since we stopped cheating (Saunders). Also, the loss of scholarships has made the problem worse. I actually think we have a good group of coaches. It looks like kids are just not interested in what HUD and staff are selling.
    I still am not sure if anyone can do much better without cheating. We have very little to offer a high caliber D1 football athlete other than playing time. Until we get out of the Sun Belch and into the AAC or comparable league any coach will be fighting an uphill battle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetryCajun View Post
    Recruiting has tailed off dramatically since we stopped cheating (Saunders). Also, the loss of scholarships has made the problem worse. I actually think we have a good group of coaches. It looks like kids are just not interested in what HUD and staff are selling.
    I still am not sure if anyone can do much better without cheating. We have very little to offer a high caliber D1 football athlete other than playing time. Until we get out of the Sun Belch and into the AAC or comparable league any coach will be fighting an uphill battle.
    Loser mentality...app state has been in fbs for 3 years and had double digit wins in 2 of them, do they have something we don't? Besides a fan base and administration that doesn't think like losers? stAte, Georgia southern? Troy? WKU? Latech?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetryCajun View Post
    Recruiting has tailed off dramatically since we stopped cheating (Saunders). Also, the loss of scholarships has made the problem worse. I actually think we have a good group of coaches. It looks like kids are just not interested in what HUD and staff are selling.
    I still am not sure if anyone can do much better without cheating. We have very little to offer a high caliber D1 football athlete other than playing time. Until we get out of the Sun Belch and into the AAC or comparable league any coach will be fighting an uphill battle.
    Interesting analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetryCajun View Post
    Recruiting has tailed off dramatically since we stopped cheating (Saunders). Also, the loss of scholarships has made the problem worse. I actually think we have a good group of coaches. It looks like kids are just not interested in what HUD and staff are selling.
    I still am not sure if anyone can do much better without cheating. We have very little to offer a high caliber D1 football athlete other than playing time. Until we get out of the Sun Belch and into the AAC or comparable league any coach will be fighting an uphill battle.
    App St does it. Ark St does it. WKU did it.

    I guess those programs were all cheating, right?
    If the kids that these coaches are recruiting aren't buying what they're selling, who's fault is that?

    Also, if you think we're a well coached football team, I have a time share I'd like to sell you.

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    Bustle took us from ashes and brought us back to a D1 football hud moved us further up .. However huds time has come and pass just like bustle its time to move on and hope the next coach can move the needle even further


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    Quote Originally Posted by basinbear View Post
    A former Asst. Coach for Bear Bryant once told me something that I consider gospel...."If you have the talent to win and don't, it's your fault.....if you don't have the talent to win, it's your fault"....that it all....
    This and only this......

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetryCajun View Post
    Recruiting has tailed off dramatically since we stopped cheating (Saunders). Also, the loss of scholarships has made the problem worse. I actually think we have a good group of coaches. It looks like kids are just not interested in what HUD and staff are selling.
    I still am not sure if anyone can do much better without cheating. We have very little to offer a high caliber D1 football athlete other than playing time. Until we get out of the Sun Belch and into the AAC or comparable league any coach will be fighting an uphill battle.
    That's the dumbest analysis ever!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    App St does it. Ark St does it. WKU did it.

    I guess those programs were all cheating, right?
    If the kids that these coaches are recruiting aren't buying what they're selling, who's fault is that?

    Also, if you think we're a well coached football team, I have a time share I'd like to sell you.
    I would say App St and Ark St do not have markedly better programs than us. Today they are up and we are down. Two years from now it will most likely be reversed. Such is life as a D1 have not. As for sales pitch, we are looked at as being a notch below Tech and Tulane. They have a better conference, better tradition and better TV deals. Yes we have a nice Athletic Facility, but that is just window dressing. To compete with them as well as SMiss and Houston we need to either take chances or bend the rules. We tried the second one and got caught. We are now doing the first (with less than stellar results).

    I honestly don't have all the answers, but I think our upside is limited and our downside great. We could easily make an expensive bad hire and be the new Texas St. I wish I had some of your optimism, but I do not see how us or anyone else in the SBC can really compete on the D1 level. We have to get out of this conference. IMHO nothing else matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by no1cajunfan View Post
    That's the dumbest analysis ever!!
    I just provided you with some more analysis! Feel free to disagree. I also think college football is a dying sport, but I will save that for another thread. 😁

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetryCajun View Post
    I would say App St and Ark St do not have markedly better programs than us. Today they are up and we are down. Two years from now it will most likely be reversed. Such is life as a D1 have not. As for sales pitch, we are looked at as being a notch below Tech and Tulane. They have a better conference, better tradition and better TV deals. Yes we have a nice Athletic Facility, but that is just window dressing. To compete with them as well as SMiss and Houston we need to either take chances or bend the rules. We tried the second one and got caught. We are now doing the first (with less than stellar results).

    I honestly don't have all the answers, but I think our upside is limited and our downside great. We could easily make an expensive bad hire and be the new Texas St. I wish I had some of your optimism, but I do not see how us or anyone else in the SBC can really compete on the D1 level. We have to get out of this conference. IMHO nothing else matters.
    Disagree 1000%

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetryCajun View Post
    I would say App St and Ark St do not have markedly better programs than us. Today they are up and we are down. Two years from now it will most likely be reversed. Such is life as a D1 have not. As for sales pitch, we are looked at as being a notch below Tech and Tulane. They have a better conference, better tradition and better TV deals. Yes we have a nice Athletic Facility, but that is just window dressing. To compete with them as well as SMiss and Houston we need to either take chances or bend the rules. We tried the second one and got caught. We are now doing the first (with less than stellar results).

    I honestly don't have all the answers, but I think our upside is limited and our downside great. We could easily make an expensive bad hire and be the new Texas St. I wish I had some of your optimism, but I do not see how us or anyone else in the SBC can really compete on the D1 level. We have to get out of this conference. IMHO nothing else matters.
    App St is miles and miles ahead of us, as far as stability and consistency. We've never beaten them in conference for goodness sake.

    Disagree totally with your last paragraph. Our only limiters are ourselves and we are really good at it.

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    I would be very disappointed if we fire hud and maggard brings in some Missouri assistant or X coach. They have always been mediocre at best.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    Disagree 1000%
    What? That means everything I said was incorrect AND by an order of magnitude. Looks like I missed the boat with that post.

    Hey, I'm glad you guys think we can be a football power with the right coach. I would love to be proved wrong. I just don't think that a mid sized school playing in the SBC from a very poor state can't make it big in the high dollar world of college football.
    And for the record I am not saying give up. I am just suggesting that our singular focus should be getting out of the Sun Belch and into a better conference situation. If firing HUD helps us in that endeavor I am all for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    App St is miles and miles ahead of us, as far as stability and consistency. We've never beaten them in conference for goodness sake.

    Disagree totally with your last paragraph. Our only limiters are ourselves and we are really good at it.
    Are they better? Yes, but they are not miles ahead. They lose to power5 schools just like the rest of us. Yes they had a close loss last year...big deal we have all had one of those moments. Every other time they have tried to complete with the big boys they have been pistol whipped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetryCajun View Post
    Are they better? Yes, but they are not miles ahead. They lose to power5 schools just like the rest of us. Yes they had a close loss last year...big deal we have all had one of those moments. Every other time they have tried to complete with the big boys they have been pistol whipped.
    They have been in FBS for 3 years and have 2 double digit win seasons. Give them a few more years and they will be closer to Boise state than we are to them now. The fact that they stepped in this conference and owned it and us is exactly the problem. They don't accept excuses.

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