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    I don't know how his 4,303 yards from scrimmage play into this.

    He could have played any number of positions in the NFL, he was just out of this world valuable as a return man.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    I don't know how his 4,303 yards from scrimmage play into this.

    He could have played any number of positions in the NFL, he was just out of this world valuable as a return man.
    Only averaging 307 yards per season not on special teams is what hurts him IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hark Mudspeth View Post
    They are very much a part of the game but you and I don't vote...their peers do. I think the overall feeling of a locker room in regards to special teams guys is that you aren't good enough for first or second string so you go get hurt on special teams while we save our "good players" for the game. Those guys doing the voting think "imagine if i played special teams, I'm a hall of fame LB or RB, I was too good to risk playing special teams but if I did, I'd be way better than that guy"
    Members of the Pro Football Selection Committee are primarily sports writers. I looked up Mitchell's stats and they are very impressive. He averaged 5.1 yds/carry in addition to his outstanding stats as a ST player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stodgdog View Post
    Members of the Pro Football Selection Committee are primarily sports writers. I looked up Mitchell's stats and they are very impressive. He averaged 5.1 yds/carry in addition to his outstanding stats as a ST player.
    Not arguing against him being in, putting rational reasons why he isn't. There are a lot of really good players with impressive stats that aren't in the NFL hall of fame...ALOT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hark Mudspeth View Post
    Not arguing against him being in, putting rational reasons why he isn't. There are a lot of really good players with impressive stats that aren't in the NFL hall of fame...ALOT
    Every single one with Brian Mitchell type numbers is in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    Every single one with Brian Mitchell type numbers is in.
    None of them were special teams. Why don't you go to canton and plead your case, because you are literally preaching to the choir here. I don't vote for the NFL HOF...merely suggesting why I think it will be tough for him to get in. In people's minds he was one of the best specialists ever, who for the majority of his career was a backup football player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hark Mudspeth View Post
    None of them were special teams. Why don't you go to canton and plead your case, because you are literally preaching to the choir here. I don't vote for the NFL HOF...merely suggesting why I think it will be tough for him to get in. In people's minds he was one of the best specialists ever, who for the majority of his career was a backup football player.
    You toss that term around like crazy but until this thread I had never heard it applied to Brian Mitchell before.

    He should get into the HoF on that phrase alone. "The only backup player to amass over 23.000 all purpose yards."

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    What I think hurt Brian Mitchell's HoF bid early on is that Hall of Famers Curtis Martin, Marshall Faulk, Tim Brown, Emmitt Smith, and Jerry Rice all retired within 3-years of his last game. And Thurmon Thomas 3 years prior.

    He slipped through the early cracks due to a plethora of candidates and the hindsight analysis has been dirt poor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    What I think hurt Brian Mitchell's HoF bid early on is that Hall of Famers Curtis Martin, Marshall Faulk, Tim Brown, Emmitt Smith, and Jerry Rice all retired within 3-years of his last game. And Thurmon Thomas 3 years prior.

    He slipped through the early cracks due to a plethora of candidates and the hindsight analysis has been dirt poor.
    Go look up players that still aren't in. I don't think it's dirt poor analysis, they just don't value special teams players. I doubt we will ever see a long snapper get in strictly for his long snapping abilities but it's pretty damn important aspect of a football game. It would have to be a hall of fame position player who also long snapped. I still think he gets in it just maybtaje quite a few years, probably after his death. Or a year when the ballot is really thin. Dont confuse what I think should happen with the reason I think he isn't in or may not get in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hark Mudspeth View Post
    Go look up players that still aren't in. I don't think it's dirt poor analysis, they just don't value special teams players. I doubt we will ever see a long snapper get in strictly for his long snapping abilities but it's pretty damn important aspect of a football game. It would have to be a hall of fame position player who also long snapped. I still think he gets in it just maybtaje quite a few years, probably after his death. Or a year when the ballot is really thin. Dont confuse what I think should happen with the reason I think he isn't in or may not get in.
    None have Brian Mitchell type numbers and he did it in a position that is hard as can be to put up the kind of career numbers that he did.

    Even if you take away Brian's "back up" numbers as you coined them, he would still be in the top-10 all-time.

    The ones you allude to that are not in, (they are good) don't have numbers that match their peers. Brian Mitchell has no peer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    None have Brian Mitchell type numbers and he did it in a position that is hard as can be to put up the kind of career numbers that he did.

    Even if you take away Brian's "back up" numbers as you coined them, he would still be in the top-10 all-time.

    The ones you allude to that are not in, (they are good) don't have numbers that match their peers. Brian Mitchell has no peer.
    Again, as usual you are confusing a discussion for my stance. Whether I think he should be in or not is irrelevant bc I don't have a vote. Ive said why I think he isn't in yet,,what do you think? It's obviously not lack of total yards yards, so what is it? His total yardage blows everyone out the water so what's keeping him out? They lost his paper? Confused him with a different brian Mitchell? He's black! He went to USL? I promise you his name has been discussed so what is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hark Mudspeth View Post
    Again, as usual you are confusing a discussion for my stance. Whether I think he should be in or not is irrelevant bc I don't have a vote. Ive said why I think he isn't in yet,,what do you think? It's obviously not lack of total yards yards, so what is it? His total yardage blows everyone out the water so what's keeping him out? They lost his paper? Confused him with a different brian Mitchell? He's black! He went to USL? I promise you his name has been discussed so what is it?
    I told you 6 current HoF members (in his category range) (1 better)retired within 3-years of Brian Mitchell retiring.

    Also poor marketing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    I told you 6 current HoF members (in his category range) (1 better)retired within 3-years of Brian Mitchell retiring.

    Also poor marketing.
    He has had several chances since then, he is always eligible. Those guys have long been in. If he has those yards on offense he is first ballot...it's the fact it was mainly accomplished on special teams is what kept him out. They don't value special teams, nothing to do with marketing. Not saying it's right but it's reality. Teams regularly sign guys literally off the couch to play special teams devaluing their perceived worth. I Still think he and Hester eventually get in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hark Mudspeth View Post
    He has had several chances since then, he is always eligible. Those guys have long been in. If he has those yards on offense he is first ballot...it's the fact it was mainly accomplished on special teams is what kept him out. They don't value special teams, nothing to do with marketing. Not saying it's right but it's reality. Teams regularly sign guys literally off the couch to play special teams devaluing their perceived worth. I Still think he and Hester eventually get in.
    It has everything to do with marketing.

    Not one national story mentioned he had surpassed Jerry Rice until 10 months later when Jerry Rice passed him back up.

    Brian didn't announce his retirement with fanfare, he quietly bowed out.

    At the Awards Banquet Scott Brazda announced the new Brian Mitchell Award and declared Brian #2 all-time. He was actually #1 at the time. I corrected Scott afterwards and he said he was just reading what they put in front of him.

    That is the norm. If you don't have a marketing arm, the sports world doesn't remember what they never knew.

    I can guarantee you this, if Brian had stayed and retired as a Redskin, he would be in the Hall of Fame right now.

    Fanfare, awareness marketing excitement. FAME

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    It has everything to do with marketing.

    Not one national story mentioned he had surpassed Jerry Rice until 10 months later when Jerry Rice passed him back up.

    Brian didn't announce his retirement with fanfare, he quietly bowed out.

    At the Awards Banquet Scott Brazda announced the new Brian Mitchell Award and declared Brian #2 all-time. He was actually #1 at the time. I corrected Scott afterwards and he said he was just reading what they put in front of him.

    That is the norm. If you don't have a marketing arm, the sports world doesn't remember what they never knew.

    I can guarantee you this, if Brian had stayed and retired as a Redskin, he would be in the Hall of Fame right now.

    Fanfare, awareness marketing excitement. FAME
    So now guys buy their way in with marketing...has it ever occurred to you he quietly retired and no fanfare becayse they don't value the all time special teamer like they do the 20th ranked RB? "He is the all time return yardage holder...so" that's what I'm saying, he could market all he wants and I don't think people would care. The amount of "special teams guys" In the hall of Fame Says they don't value them like a guy who went to the same college as he did. It's not just Brian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hark Mudspeth View Post
    So now guys buy their way in with marketing...has it ever occurred to you he quietly retired and no fanfare becayse they don't value the all time special teamer like they do the 20th ranked RB? "He is the all time return yardage holder...so" that's what I'm saying, he could market all he wants and I don't think people would care. The amount of "special teams guys" In the hall of Fame Says they don't value them like a guy who went to the same college as he did. It's not just Brian.
    The kick return yards list is separate from the all-purpose yards list.

    With good marketing you wouldn't confuse the two.

    On one he is #1 on the second he is #2.

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    There is no asterisk net to his numbers.

    https://www.pro-football-reference.c...yds_career.htm

    We need to quit trying to add one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    The kick return yards list is separate from the all-purpose yards list.

    With good marketing you wouldn't confuse the two.

    On one he is #1 on the second he is #2.
    And they don't care or value either of them apparently. There are 3 total pure specialists in the NFL hall of fame. All time scoring leaders in the NFL...you gotta get past 60 to get to someone who isn't a kicker but only 3 are in. Tomlinson is at 61. Scoring a lot of points is a by product of being a kicker.getying A lot of yards are a by product of returning kicks, or used to he anyway. It took the NFL all time leading scorer 10 years to get in after a 25 year career. Brian has only been retired 14.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    There is no asterisk nezt to his numbers.

    https://www.pro-football-reference.c...yds_career.htm

    We need to quit trying to add one.
    Pretty sure NFL hall of fame voters value the opinions of ragin pagin much less than Brian's accomplishments

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hark Mudspeth View Post
    ... It took the NFL all time leading scorer 10 years to get in after a 25 year career. Brian has only been retired 14.
    Here is the difference and similarity; The team handed the leading scorer the ball after making the field as short as possible.

    Brian handed the team the ball after making the field as short as possible.

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