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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    Commies, Nazis, Islamofascists, Theocracies. They are all fascistic in nature. They are all oppressors. All, upon assumption of power, proceed to erase all history before them and rewrite it if need be.

    Let's remember, the Nazis were National Socialists. The Commies are Socialists. Both believed in the Omnipotent State. Sometimes this statism is centered upon an Omnipotent ruler, like Castro or the King of England circa 1776. Sometimes, this statism becomes religious in nature. This is where the Islamists come in, and it looks like modern liberalism has now become a religion that has finally crossed over to produce the fascistic offspring called Antifa/BLM.

    I find it interesting that many members of Antifa/BLM choose to dress just like their Islamist, fascistic cousins, ISIS.

    By the way, a couple of centuries ago, some pretty smart, courageous, and flawed men got together to produce a document to save mankind from the Statists. It was a miraculous moment in human history to devise a system of government around certain rights given by God, so that no future state could take them away.

    I believe it is this document that the current liberal fascists are out to destroy.

    The only question is, will we let them?
    Hold on..I thought Freedom wasn't Free?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    My grandfather always imparted on me what his father told him about the Civil War.

    "It wasn't fought for us. It was fought for the plantation owners. It was fought for the cotton barons. We were just the pawns they used. I see no use in being proud of being taken advantage of."

    It's our history, but it's nothing at all to be proud of.
    And the union soldiers werent fighting to free slaves, it was for power and riches....same as every war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hark Mudspeth View Post
    And the union soldiers werent fighting to free slaves, it was for power and riches....same as every war.
    But that's not our history...so it's just a non-sequitur with zero point along the lines of..."well your face is ugly."

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    But that's not our history...so it's just a non-sequitur with zero point along the lines of..."well your face is ugly."
    Are we not the United States currently? Do you still consider yourself a confederate southerner? Is nobody on here originally from the north? Soldiers are pawns...always have been and always will be, no matter the side or "the cause"

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    My grandfather always imparted on me what his father told him about the Civil War.

    "It wasn't fought for us. It was fought for the plantation owners. It was fought for the cotton barons. We were just the pawns they used. I see no use in being proud of being taken advantage of."

    It's our history, but it's nothing at all to be proud of.
    To a large extent very true. My grandfather told me his grandfather and family spent large amounts of time avoiding forced service in both armies during the war. Many men were forced to serve at gun point for people that had never meet them because they were considered poor farmers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hark Mudspeth View Post
    Are we not the United States currently? Do you still consider yourself a confederate southerner? Is nobody on here originally from the north? Soldiers are pawns...always have been and always will be, no matter the side or "the cause"
    Quote Originally Posted by CajunT View Post
    To a large extent very true. My grandfather told me his grandfather and family spent large amounts of time avoiding forced service in both armies during the war. Many men were forced to serve at gun point for people that had never meet them because they were considered poor farmers.

    It is amazing how most Cajuns got swept up into this (that) and how few generations it took for them to forget why they came to Louisiana. ... Neutrality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hark Mudspeth View Post
    Are we not the United States currently? Do you still consider yourself a confederate southerner? Is nobody on here originally from the north? Soldiers are pawns...always have been and always will be, no matter the side or "the cause"
    What's the point of your argument? I never took the North's side. You made the case that they were to just as much to blame. Not being proud of the Confederate history of our ancestors doesn't automatically make me a Union sympathizer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunT View Post
    To a large extent very true. My grandfather told me his grandfather and family spent large amounts of time avoiding forced service in both armies during the war. Many men were forced to serve at gun point for people that had never meet them because they were considered poor farmers.
    Ain't war hell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penrod View Post
    Now look up definition of moron.
    I'm replying to the definition of moron right now..

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    Quote Originally Posted by raoul View Post
    It should be remembered that the "vigilantes" that were formed by Mouton had as their goal the capture of horse thieves and cattle rustlers. Importantly, they were also successful in driving out early origins of the KKK which did not resurface in Acadiana until fairly recently.
    The KKK evolved from antebellum vigilante groups not unlike your beloved General Mouton's own. Mouton's vigilantes wrongfully terrorised and persecuted blacks, Acadians, other ethnic groups, those of mixed race, those who fraternized with coloreds etc. equating them as less than horse thieves and cattle rustlers. You're sanitizing history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penrod View Post
    The KKK evolved from antebellum vigilante groups not unlike your beloved General Mouton's own. Mouton's vigilantes wrongfully terrorised and persecuted blacks, Acadians, other ethnic groups, those of mixed race, those who fraternized with coloreds etc. equating them as less than horse thieves and cattle rustlers. You're sanitizing history.
    Flip side of the coin...you are demonizing history. The true story probably resides somewhere in the middle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    What's the point of your argument? I never took the North's side. You made the case that they were to just as much to blame. Not being proud of the Confederate history of our ancestors doesn't automatically make me a Union sympathizer.
    Your grandfather said he wasn't fighting for the cause...that is probably a majority sentiment with most soldiers on any side. You said that's not our history...it's all our history...we are the United States, for now. All of it is our history. Not every southerner had slaves, not every southerner wanted slaves but which side you were gonna fight for or if you were gonna fight wasn't really debatable in those days. Same for the north. Being a proud southerner doesn't make you racist or agree with slavery. You can be proud of being from the south and proud of the heritage and not be racist and want slavery. People can't seem to separate the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penrod View Post
    The KKK evolved from antebellum vigilante groups not unlike your beloved General Mouton's own. Mouton's vigilantes wrongfully terrorised and persecuted blacks, Acadians, other ethnic groups, those of mixed race, those who fraternized with coloreds etc. equating them as less than horse thieves and cattle rustlers. You're sanitizing history.
    And you're perverting it. The bottom line is, you refuse to see the other side of this argument because you have an axe to grind. Whatever that is, I don't know for sure. "Fraternizing with coloreds" for example was seen completely different in that era. You're either ignorant or purposely perverting the point.

    YOU CAN NOT EQUATE THAT CULTURE TO A MODERN DAY MORAL COMPASS, jackass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunT View Post
    To a large extent very true. My grandfather told me his grandfather and family spent large amounts of time avoiding forced service in both armies during the war. Many men were forced to serve at gun point for people that had never meet them because they were considered poor farmers.
    Yet again why General Mouton betrayed his Acadian ancestry and praising him defiles our own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    Flip side of the coin...you are demonizing history. The true story probably resides somewhere in the middle.
    Yes.
    And for the record, this is where I reside. I know I probably come across as more hardliner on this topic, but I'm frankly being more extreme to belabor the point that PencilDlck refuses to acknowledge. On purpose, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    And you're perverting it. The bottom line is, you refuse to see the other side of this argument because you have an axe to grind. Whatever that is, I don't know for sure. "Fraternizing with coloreds" for example was seen completely different in that era. You're either ignorant or purposely perverting the point.

    YOU CAN NOT EQUATE THAT CULTURE TO A MODERN DAY MORAL COMPASS, jackass.
    It did not betray the moral compass of the noble rural acadians who routinely did it. The wealthy slave owning plantation owners moral compasses were warped. You fail to acknowledge that good exists in this world today because we are descended from the good that came before us. That is what I choose to honor.

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    Check out the history of Mouton Cove when looking for Southerners who DIDN'T want to fight. Ironically, they were Moutons too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hark Mudspeth View Post
    Your grandfather said he wasn't fighting for the cause...that is probably a majority sentiment with most soldiers on any side. You said that's not our history...it's all our history...we are the United States, for now. All of it is our history. Not every southerner had slaves, not every southerner wanted slaves but which side you were gonna fight for or if you were gonna fight wasn't really debatable in those days. Same for the north. Being a proud southerner doesn't make you racist or agree with slavery. You can be proud of being from the south and proud of the heritage and not be racist and want slavery. People can't seem to separate the two.
    Grandfather's...father. I'm not that old. My great grandfather didn't fight, too young thankfully. As a bystander, and being younger he could still see the futility of the endeavor. I'm sure most soldiers don't feel like waging war for the well to do. Once again...what's your point?

    The United States history is not my history. I know you are being obtuse for a purpose.

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    True the civil war was about a lot of things but it does not excuse the fact that we went there chained them up and brought them here as slaves and if the south had won it would have continued


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    Quote Originally Posted by beaux66 View Post
    True the civil war was about a lot of things but it does not excuse the fact that we went there chained them up and brought them here as slaves and if the south had won it would have continued
    It would not have continued for many reasons. I'll name a few:
    1) We didn't go anywhere and "chain them up". They're own people sold them as slaves.
    2) An uprising was already under way
    3) The majority of pro-slavery folks were rich. Most others opposed slavery by the time Civil War happened.

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