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    Quote Originally Posted by beaux66 View Post
    O you are not alone. These statues need to be in museums to remind us that we should never own people again. They should not be glorified. We as southerners have no more to be proud of with that war than Penn State and the Joe Paterno statue. Come on guys. We fought to maintain our right to own people. We should be trying to erase that from our streets.
    You owned people? How f'n old are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunT View Post
    Yes, I oppose all ideology that is anti-Constitution. For the record, are you anti-Communist?
    I am anti-communist and anti-fascist and I do not cower from being on the record as such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penrod View Post
    I am anti-communist and anti-fascist and I do not cower from being on the record as such.
    Great! Then I'm certain you will join me in condemning all violence and those that wish to silence speech they don't agree with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penrod View Post
    General Mouton discriminated against Cajuns.
    He pushed out (or worse) many with a band of vigilantes.
    Mouton is not Cajun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FacelessBuffoon View Post
    Mouton is not Cajun?
    He betrayed his heritage. His family rose to privilege and he abused it. He rode with vigilantes and terrorised blacks, acadians, and other ethnic groups prior to the civil war. His is certainly a case of forgetting where and what you came from. What is most important is that in our own life and times we can transcend these sort of misdeeds. General Mouton was not alone in his thinking but fortunately the history of our nation reflects progress and enough brave and noble men and women of all races and creeds transcended the malignant conventions of their time to improve the lot of their fellow man and their descendants. We should aspire to honor these men and women with our own similar deeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunT View Post
    Great! Then I'm certain you will join me in condemning all violence and those that wish to silence speech they don't agree with.
    You won't go on the record as anti-fascist will you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beaux66 View Post
    O you are not alone. These statues need to be in museums to remind us that we should never own people again. They should not be glorified. We as southerners have no more to be proud of with that war than Penn State and the Joe Paterno statue. Come on guys. We fought to maintain our right to own people. We should be trying to erase that from our streets.
    Right on brother!✊️

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    Quote Originally Posted by beaux66 View Post
    O you are not alone. These statues need to be in museums to remind us that we should never own people again. They should not be glorified. We as southerners have no more to be proud of with that war than Penn State and the Joe Paterno statue. Come on guys. We fought to maintain our right to own people. We should be trying to erase that from our streets.
    Beaux, I have no problem with communities making a decision to move certain statues to museums. That is entirely up to each community. But let's not kid ourselves, this movement is not organic, it is all about shaming Trump supporters and painting all of them with the same brush as Fascist and White Suprematist.

    We had a Black President and Black Attorney General for eight years, and removing these statues were never part of larger public discussion. I agree with Alen Dershowitz's statement, he is far from Alt-Right political operative.

    "There is a danger of "going too far" when it comes to calls to remove statues of founding fathers such as George Washington and Thomas Jefferson who were slave owners."

    "We have to use this as an educational moment. "We have to take some of the statues that were put up more recently, for example, during the civil rights movement and perhaps move them to museums where they can be used to teach young students about how statues are intended sometimes for bad purposes, to glorify negatives and to hold back positive developments."

    However, Dershowitz said he does not like the idea of "willy-nilly" erasing history, like Joseph Stalin did.

    "[It] poses a danger, educational malpractice, of missing opportunities to educate people, and of going too far."

    He's right, we already have people calling for the removal of the Washington Monument and the Jefferson Memorial in Washington. This isn't about an educational moment or an opportunity for dialogue on current racial relations in the US, but resistance to a change in power from a democratic held election, motivated in anger and vested in violence.

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    If you go to Berlin you will notice that history is not erased. If anything it is preserved in a way that they will never forget their shame. In no way is Hitler glorified. Their is certainly place in our museums for reminders of what we should never do again. But we should not put them on pedestals


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    And believe me I know there are people in the north that share in that same shame.


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    Quote Originally Posted by beaux66 View Post
    If you go to Berlin you will notice that history is not erased. If anything it is preserved in a way that they will never forget their shame. In no way is Hitler glorified. Their is certainly place in our museums for reminders of what we should never do again. But we should not put them on pedestals
    I don't live in Berlin, I live in the US. Again, this isn't about bringing people together for dialogue, but White shaming everyone that lives in the South and supporters of Trump. I don't support rabid removal of every statue in relationship to confederacy, but I do believe every community has the right to determine what is best for their citizens. So remove them if you please, understanding that the slippery sloop begins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penrod View Post
    You're making a fool of yourself and you don't realize it. Your friends like you so they won't necessarily tell you. I disagree with you on most things of substance but not necessarilly on other stuff. I don't dislike you so I thought I'ld let you know.
    I agree with you. Arguing with you is making me look foolish. Like arguing with a mannequin would make one look foolish, for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunT View Post
    However, Dershowitz said he does not like the idea of "willy-nilly" erasing history, like Joseph Stalin did.
    For a whole plethora of reasons (that may or may not have made sense at the time) historical negationism or denialism is an age old problem. Egyptians chiseled their predecessors off of hieroglyphs. God's Name removed from the Bible. Losers in wars rarely mention the losses. On and on and now this.

    And I'm not a fan of statues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunT View Post
    I don't live in Berlin, I live in the US. Again, this isn't about bringing people together for dialogue, but White shaming everyone the lives in the South and supporters of Trump. I don't support rabid removal of every statue in relationship to confederacy, but I do believe every community has the right to determine what is best for their citizens. So remove them if you please, understanding that the slippery sloop begins.
    Nobody is white shaming anyone. This is history shaming. There are plenty of black societies around the world killing and enslaving people as well. It's just a matter of not glorifying what we know is simply wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by beaux66 View Post
    If you go to Berlin you will notice that history is not erased. If anything it is preserved in a way that they will never forget their shame. In no way is Hitler glorified. Their is certainly place in our museums for reminders of what we should never do again. But we should not put them on pedestals
    The forces that took Germany destroyed many of the monuments, statues, etc. What's happening today is not even close to that. Statues and monuments represent different things to different people, as did the civil war. I see you leftist brainiacs continue to fail to mention that the civil war was really about taxation and cotton, and LATER became about Civil Rights. Confederate Soldiers and Generals were celebrated because they fought for the people against its oppressors. Soldiers and Generals also stood for the will of the people, because in those days, being loyal to your state was MUCH more prevalent than loyalty to the US. Applying today's moral compass to those days in pure idiocy.

    Again, the statues are a symptom of a larger sickness happening here. I just find it to be the height of hypocrisy for these clowns to accuse conservatives and/or historical truth tellers "facists", while they themselves are you using facist tactics to cause upheaval in this country.

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    Commies, Nazis, Islamofascists, Theocracies. They are all fascistic in nature. They are all oppressors. All, upon assumption of power, proceed to erase all history before them and rewrite it if need be.

    Let's remember, the Nazis were National Socialists. The Commies are Socialists. Both believed in the Omnipotent State. Sometimes this statism is centered upon an Omnipotent ruler, like Castro or the King of England circa 1776. Sometimes, this statism becomes religious in nature. This is where the Islamists come in, and it looks like modern liberalism has now become a religion that has finally crossed over to produce the fascistic offspring called Antifa/BLM.

    I find it interesting that many members of Antifa/BLM choose to dress just like their Islamist, fascistic cousins, ISIS.

    By the way, a couple of centuries ago, some pretty smart, courageous, and flawed men got together to produce a document to save mankind from the Statists. It was a miraculous moment in human history to devise a system of government around certain rights given by God, so that no future state could take them away.

    I believe it is this document that the current liberal fascists are out to destroy.

    The only question is, will we let them?


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    Quote Originally Posted by beaux66 View Post
    Nobody is white shaming anyone. This is history shaming. There are plenty of black societies around the world killing and enslaving people as well. It's just a matter of not glorifying what we know is simply wrong
    Unfortunately many of these protesters don't understand the context of enslavement of people in other societies and civilizations because they are historically ignorant.

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    It should be remembered that the "vigilantes" that were formed by Mouton had as their goal the capture of horse thieves and cattle rustlers. Importantly, they were also successful in driving out early origins of the KKK which did not resurface in Acadiana until fairly recently.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    I agree with you. Arguing with you is making me look foolish. Like arguing with a mannequin would make one look foolish, for example.
    Now look up definition of moron.

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    My grandfather always imparted on me what his father told him about the Civil War.

    "It wasn't fought for us. It was fought for the plantation owners. It was fought for the cotton barons. We were just the pawns they used. I see no use in being proud of being taken advantage of."

    It's our history, but it's nothing at all to be proud of.


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