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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunsmike View Post
    Key comment in this post is "lack of big picture relevance for small schools". If you are not in a P5 league, attention is minimal. That is from the national media and statewide as well. If you did not attend a g5 school, no one really cares how your team is doing. That includes most schools in the AAC and MWC. As far as the national press is concerned, East Carolina, UL, and Colorado State are in the same boat. That is making it very difficult for the average fan to pay attention to those schools. Many will stay home and watch the big schools on TV play (even if it is not LSU) vs coming to Cajun Field. At least in basketball, the conference tournaments and the first few days of the NCAA tournament provide a little coverage to mid-majors. The only salvation I see for the G5 is for a 16 team playoff to develop with every conference champion getting an automatic bid. That is not realistic. Best hope is for an 8 team playoff with the highest rated G5 school getting a bid.
    I disagree about the AAC. Houston was a national story line 2 years in a row. NAVY has a gigantic, national fan base. There are several others that have the attention of AP and ESPN in basketball and football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duggie35 View Post
    The NCAA also has the ability to change the rule if they chose to do so. They have changed rules many times to help the P5.
    Exactly and no P5 school in their right mind would object to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmv90 View Post
    I have researched and written extensively on tax-exemption and college athletics. Odds of tax exemption being pulled from college athletics = less than 1 %. Under the current Internal Revenue Code, there is no basis. Would take convincing legislators to pull status, which would be one hell of a show when these major colleges start lobbying against any tax.
    Agreed and my point was about legislators pulling status. It has come up numerous times but the disparity continues to widen and at some point I think things could change. It would be an uphill battle but the NCAA and P5 have dominated the discussion. Even a hint at an uprising might make them reconsider how far they are willing to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duggie35 View Post
    The NCAA also has the ability to change the rule if they chose to do so. They have changed rules many times to help the P5.
    Yea with this big a deal.... I see an exemption as this would effect almost a third of P5s!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomer View Post
    Yea with this big a deal.... I see an exemption as this would effect almost a third of P5s!!!
    Either way this goes, autobids will be safe. The concern is over the CFB playoff money. Starting a new league from scratch will cause problems with getting a share of that money in a timely manner.

    The absolute best way to reorganize the 2 leagues is for an agreed trading of schools to occur. It would start with the SBC adding all 7 of the CUSA East schools. Then the CUSA leftovers add NMSU, TSU, LA, stAte and South Al.

    This leaves CUSA 12 with tight regional divisions and SBC-13 with tight regional divisions with the exception of ULM, but no way they last long in this alignment as the travel will force them back to the SLC.



    CUSA WEST

    New Mexico State
    UTEP
    UTSA
    Texas State
    Rice
    North Texas

    CUSA EAST

    Louisiana
    Louisiana Tech
    Southern Miss
    South Alabama
    UAB
    Arkansas State




    SBC NORTH

    Middle Tennessee
    Western Kentucky
    Marshall
    Old Dominion
    Appalachian State
    Charlotte


    SBC SOUTH

    Troy
    Georgia State
    Georgia Southern
    Coastal Carolina
    FAU
    FIU


    This could happen tomorrow with no problems for the NCAA, autobids or the CFB playoff money. All that needs to happen is for the 2 conference to agree to swap some schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    Either way this goes, autobids will be safe. The concern is over the CFB playoff money. Starting a new league from scratch will cause problems with getting a share of that money in a timely manner.

    The absolute best way to reorganize the 2 leagues is for an agreed trading of schools to occur. It would start with the SBC adding all 7 of the CUSA East schools. Then the CUSA leftovers add NMSU, TSU, LA, stAte and South Al.

    This leaves CUSA 12 with tight regional divisions and SBC-13 with tight regional divisions with the exception of ULM, but no way they last long in this alignment as the travel will force them back to the SLC.



    CUSA WEST

    New Mexico State
    UTEP
    UTSA
    Texas State
    Rice
    North Texas

    CUSA EAST

    Louisiana
    Louisiana Tech
    Southern Miss
    South Alabama
    UAB
    Arkansas State




    SBC NORTH

    Middle Tennessee
    Western Kentucky
    Marshall
    Old Dominion
    Appalachian State
    Charlotte


    SBC SOUTH

    Troy
    Georgia State
    Georgia Southern
    Coastal Carolina
    FAU
    FIU


    This could happen tomorrow with no problems for the NCAA, autobids or the CFB playoff money. All that needs to happen is for the 2 conference to agree to swap some schools.
    Now this I could get with!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    Either way this goes, autobids will be safe. The concern is over the CFB playoff money. Starting a new league from scratch will cause problems with getting a share of that money in a timely manner.

    The absolute best way to reorganize the 2 leagues is for an agreed trading of schools to occur. It would start with the SBC adding all 7 of the CUSA East schools. Then the CUSA leftovers add NMSU, TSU, LA, stAte and South Al.

    This leaves CUSA 12 with tight regional divisions and SBC-13 with tight regional divisions with the exception of ULM, but no way they last long in this alignment as the travel will force them back to the SLC.



    CUSA WEST

    New Mexico State
    UTEP
    UTSA
    Texas State
    Rice
    North Texas

    CUSA EAST

    Louisiana
    Louisiana Tech
    Southern Miss
    South Alabama
    UAB
    Arkansas State




    SBC NORTH

    Middle Tennessee
    Western Kentucky
    Marshall
    Old Dominion
    Appalachian State
    Charlotte


    SBC SOUTH

    Troy
    Georgia State
    Georgia Southern
    Coastal Carolina
    FAU
    FIU


    This could happen tomorrow with no problems for the NCAA, autobids or the CFB playoff money. All that needs to happen is for the 2 conference to agree to swap some schools.
    I like this best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    Either way this goes, autobids will be safe. The concern is over the CFB playoff money. Starting a new league from scratch will cause problems with getting a share of that money in a timely manner.

    The absolute best way to reorganize the 2 leagues is for an agreed trading of schools to occur. It would start with the SBC adding all 7 of the CUSA East schools. Then the CUSA leftovers add NMSU, TSU, LA, stAte and South Al.

    This leaves CUSA 12 with tight regional divisions and SBC-13 with tight regional divisions with the exception of ULM, but no way they last long in this alignment as the travel will force them back to the SLC.



    CUSA WEST

    New Mexico State
    UTEP
    UTSA
    Texas State
    Rice
    North Texas

    CUSA EAST

    Louisiana
    Louisiana Tech
    Southern Miss
    South Alabama
    UAB
    Arkansas State




    SBC NORTH

    Middle Tennessee
    Western Kentucky
    Marshall
    Old Dominion
    Appalachian State
    Charlotte


    SBC SOUTH

    Troy
    Georgia State
    Georgia Southern
    Coastal Carolina
    FAU
    FIU


    This could happen tomorrow with no problems for the NCAA, autobids or the CFB playoff money. All that needs to happen is for the 2 conference to agree to swap some schools.


    lol, no way in hell would that be agreed to. The new sbc schools would not be getting a better league. For it to work, both leagues would have to end up better than what they are now. No school wants to be in this new sbc you built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunologist View Post
    lol, no way in hell would that be agreed to. The new sbc schools would not be getting a better league. For it to work, both leagues would have to end up better than what they are now. No school wants to be in this new sbc you built.
    Correct, that would work great for us. But who thinks MT or WKU would go into that new SBC????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunologist View Post
    lol, no way in hell would that be agreed to. The new sbc schools would not be getting a better league. For it to work, both leagues would have to end up better than what they are now. No school wants to be in this new sbc you built.
    You are correct. In fact, NOBODY wants to be in the SBC if this went down. Now, change the SBC to the SWC and rework from there, it may work.

    It's a simple name change only, what harm could that cause????

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    "A merger wouldn't have made sense a year ago, because C-USA made so much more TV money than the Sun Belt. Now that TV revenue is roughly equivalent, Magee's proposal should be embraced by both leagues., as it has been by other media outlets, including sportsbusinessdaily.com"

    If the Sun Belt is now on equal footing with CUSA why should we want to help them? Looks to me like we will pass them as far as relevance is concerned. Let them flounder.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ultracajun View Post
    "A merger wouldn't have made sense a year ago, because C-USA made so much more TV money than the Sun Belt. Now that TV revenue is roughly equivalent, Magee's proposal should be embraced by both leagues., as it has been by other media outlets, including sportsbusinessdaily.com"

    If the Sun Belt is now on equal footing with CUSA why should we want to help them? Looks to me like we will pass them as far as relevance is concerned. Let them flounder.
    Maybe because more regional conferences would help all programs involved? Not just the current CUSA.

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    Even though that article makes sense on merging the two conferences...hard to see top officials basically having to agree to be equals. Egos usually stop all logic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    Either way this goes, autobids will be safe. The concern is over the CFB playoff money. Starting a new league from scratch will cause problems with getting a share of that money in a timely manner.

    The absolute best way to reorganize the 2 leagues is for an agreed trading of schools to occur. It would start with the SBC adding all 7 of the CUSA East schools. Then the CUSA leftovers add NMSU, TSU, LA, stAte and South Al.

    This leaves CUSA 12 with tight regional divisions and SBC-13 with tight regional divisions with the exception of ULM, but no way they last long in this alignment as the travel will force them back to the SLC.



    CUSA WEST

    New Mexico State
    UTEP
    UTSA
    Texas State
    Rice
    North Texas

    CUSA EAST

    Louisiana
    Louisiana Tech
    Southern Miss
    South Alabama
    UAB
    Arkansas State




    SBC NORTH

    Middle Tennessee
    Western Kentucky
    Marshall
    Old Dominion
    Appalachian State
    Charlotte


    SBC SOUTH

    Troy
    Georgia State
    Georgia Southern
    Coastal Carolina
    FAU
    FIU


    This could happen tomorrow with no problems for the NCAA, autobids or the CFB playoff money. All that needs to happen is for the 2 conference to agree to swap some schools.
    I think your plan is really good. The only problem I see with it are two things. Getting the Alabama schools to agree, and ULMOST not being in. The state might go so far as to intercede on their behalf.

    Someone else said some may object to being in the SBC after leaving it. IMO whose in CUSA or the SBC isn't important. Both leagues are now bottom feeders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunDreDog View Post
    Correct, that would work great for us. But who thinks MT or WKU would go into that new SBC????
    The schools complaining the most about travel are the CUSA East schools.

    First, they will not leave on their own and start a new league. They would lose millions in CFB playoff money. Same for the CUSA West schools. At some point, something will give. I highly doubt schools will dump the money just so they can avoid the "lowly" SBC schools.

    Maybe they are playing chicken? The CUSA East schools might be trying to wait out the West schools, hoping they get fed up and leave, thereby freeing the East schools to add whomever dosesn't make them faint with embarrassment? At the same time, they get to keep the CFP money?

    Or, maybe the West schools are waiting for the East schools to do the same?

    Sounds like extremely childish behavior.

    How about we act like grownups and do the financially sane thing and trade some schools? This would benefit EVERYBODY's bottom line.

    The longer any CUSA schools hold onto their false superiority complexes, the more money they will flush down the toilet.

    Same goes for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by studentfan View Post
    Even though that article makes sense on merging the two conferences...hard to see top officials basically having to agree to be equals. Egos usually stop all logic.
    These presidents have been talking about this for years. It's only recently that finances are dictating that this is the way to go.

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    I like some of the arrangements being discussed, aligning the Cajuns with Southern Miss, Rice and other Texas schools... Tech would even be OK given the rivalry, but don't add much otherwise.

    But - I have a hard time believing we can get that many Presidents/egos to agree to do something this massive. Pretty much everyone would have to agree and I don't see it happening.

    Today - top to bottom - I think the Sun Belt is as good as or better than CUSA.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunEXPRESS View Post
    I think your plan is really good. The only problem I see with it are two things. Getting the Alabama schools to agree, and ULMOST not being in. The state might go so far as to intercede on their behalf.
    No need for intercession.

    They will be included. They are members of the SBC, and the SBC is merely adding other schools. They will remove themselves from this conference.

    You know who is scared "s"less at the thought of the MVC adding UTA and UALR? ULM. Without the other 2 schools in the SBC, we become a round robin conference, and the travel for that would drown ULM. The "new" SBC travel for ULM would be even worse.

    I guarantee you that within a year or two after the start of the "new" SBC, ULM will be back in the SLC.


    As for the Bama schools, the only school that might have a problem would be UAB. However, I don't think it would take them too long to warm to the CUSA East over the SBC South. South Al would jump at it, and Troy needs to shut their mouths and be grateful they aren't ULM. They won't say a word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    Either way this goes, autobids will be safe. The concern is over the CFB playoff money. Starting a new league from scratch will cause problems with getting a share of that money in a timely manner.

    The absolute best way to reorganize the 2 leagues is for an agreed trading of schools to occur. It would start with the SBC adding all 7 of the CUSA East schools. Then the CUSA leftovers add NMSU, TSU, LA, stAte and South Al.

    This leaves CUSA 12 with tight regional divisions and SBC-13 with tight regional divisions with the exception of ULM, but no way they last long in this alignment as the travel will force them back to the SLC.



    CUSA WEST

    New Mexico State
    UTEP
    UTSA
    Texas State
    Rice
    North Texas

    CUSA EAST

    Louisiana
    Louisiana Tech
    Southern Miss
    South Alabama
    UAB
    Arkansas State




    SBC NORTH

    Middle Tennessee
    Western Kentucky
    Marshall
    Old Dominion
    Appalachian State
    Charlotte


    SBC SOUTH

    Troy
    Georgia State
    Georgia Southern
    Coastal Carolina
    FAU
    FIU


    This could happen tomorrow with no problems for the NCAA, autobids or the CFB playoff money. All that needs to happen is for the 2 conference to agree to swap some schools.
    The only thing that can defeat this kind of proposal is the fact that it makes too much sense.

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