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    Quote Originally Posted by VObserver View Post
    He will finish somewhere between third and 8th. He will have a winning D1 record. The team's RPI will be between 90 and 150. We will lose 60% of our games against equal or better talent.

    And most of the people on here will want to renew his contract.

    I would love to be proven wrong, because Marlin is a genuinely good guy who brings in character kids who play hard and represent us with class. But we have a large sample size already of what Marlin is capable of doing.

    Marlin is the Ricky Bustle of UL basketball.
    I can see the comparison to Coach Bustle. However, Coach Bustle only had one winning season in 9. Basketball has had four straight winning years. I can see the argument that the resources football had then made it more difficult to win in that sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunsmike View Post
    Did we ever win an NIT game when Jessie was the coach? I don't think so. When we played in the NIT during the Jessie years, conference champions who did not win their tournament did not get an automatic bid to the NIT so things were a little different. I do like the new rule as it gives good mid majors another chance to play with the middle of the pack Big 6 schools (P5 + Big East is Big 6).
    Lost to Tech and to UAB in back to back years 02 and 03

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    Quote Originally Posted by lcitsh View Post
    Jesse Evans
    Marty Fletcher
    Jesse Evans
    So forgive me but my memory isn't the greatest. Evans had NBA level players here.. weren't they one in the same that gave us those "vacated" games?

    It looks like Fletcher was here 11 season and won 20 games or more 4 times.


    This leans me to believe that we are a step better with Marlin.. but that next step will be a BIG one to take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geaux View Post
    .510 in 7 years with no win over a P5.

    Two NBA all stars and he couldn't even win a NCAA tournament game or even get to the NIT.

    To his credit, no one remembers who you play, most just remember he won 20 games most years....so what if it was against the University of Phoenix and I.T.T Tech.
    Your point is still valid, but he has NOT had 2 Nba all stars. Far from it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derfdog View Post
    Jesse got talent we can't have now. His way of doing things died with the introduction of the APR. Thus, his struggles at San Francisco.

    And I wouldn't trade Marlin for Marty. Ever.

    I know you're just answering questions. Just putting in my two cents
    Are you sure it was APR standards and not USF standard that squeezed Jesse. Additionally he was competing in a much better league for basketball.

    Marty has much better big wins than Marlin. He also played tougher schedules. Those are objective facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anhil8tor View Post
    So forgive me but my memory isn't the greatest. Evans had NBA level players here.. weren't they one in the same that gave us those "vacated" games?

    It looks like Fletcher was here 11 season and won 20 games or more 4 times.


    This leans me to believe that we are a step better with Marlin.. but that next step will be a BIG one to take.
    The vacated games weren't the players fault, or Jesse's but an incompetent employee who later got stAte into trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anhil8tor View Post
    So forgive me but my memory isn't the greatest. Evans had NBA level players here.. weren't they one in the same that gave us those "vacated" games?

    It looks like Fletcher was here 11 season and won 20 games or more 4 times.


    This leans me to believe that we are a step better with Marlin.. but that next step will be a BIG one to take.

    Orien Greene played for Jessie after transferring from Florida. He went on to play a few seasons in the NBA. I believe he started with Boston. We did have to vacate games during his time due to the determination he played while ineligible. After he transferred from Florida, he had poor grades. He supposedly gained eligibility through correspondence courses. Turns out those courses were not academically viable or approved by NCAA. Perhaps the compliance officer should have done a better job in that determination. I do wonder if there was subtle pressure put on her back then to make the decision the basketball staff wanted. Orien got into trouble recently for some Cecil Collins type activity.

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    I say let Dr. Maggard get his feet grounded, survey the field, then start makes some changes to advance all of the athletic programs at UL. Hopefully, sooner than later. For the love of God, please make contracts to where UL does not get the shaft!


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    Ideally you want 3 things out of a great coach.

    Spot talent: Check

    Develop talent: Check

    Bring it all together: Waiting

    If you have 2-out-of-3, you deserve extra time. Lots of it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunEXPRESS View Post
    Are you sure it was APR standards and not USF standard that squeezed Jesse. Additionally he was competing in a much better league for basketball.

    Marty has much better big wins than Martin, played tougher schedules. Those are objective facts.
    I am not sure the SBC was ever ranked as high as 13 in Jessie's years. We are 13 of over 30 leagues now. Perhaps it was. APR was put in right after Jessie left here. The upsets Marty pulled off were major coups and we have not come close to doing that since. Unfortunately, he could not beat UNO often enough. That and the departure of Butch Pierre sealed his fate. Butch was key to much of his success.

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    They absolutely deserve to be back, that being said next year is key to their fate. I personally believe expectations for next year will be higher than ever, even when Long announced he was staying for his senior year. Washington, Stove, and Bartley as Seniors, the 3 P5 transfers, and the most high profile recruit straight from high school during Marlin's tenure.

    Along with the win loss record, I want to see how the staff handles this years freshman class as they will all see a decrease in playing time. Miller might welcome it with his knee issues, and if Brown is willing to redshirt that would be best. How Evans and Davis will fit in next year remain to be seen. Each of those guys needs to stick around as they could all develop into key players by the time they are seniors. If the attrition bug bites again that would be another cause for concern with this staff.


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    I think having a "real" AD in terms of experience will create the working conditions that will allow our coaches to be accurately evaluated. Right now we're not sure.


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    I love how we either have lots of talent and Marlin does nothing with it or that he can't recruit talented players. Maybe some of you have been bitten by the alternate facts bug.
    Marlin's approach to program building seems to reflect his coaching style, methodical. He is getting players that can play, they graduate and don't make negative headlines off the court. We all want a MBB program in the top third of the conference or better but I don't think we should be willing to sell the universities soul to do it. Remember these are STUDENT athletes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatch View Post
    They absolutely deserve to be back, that being said next year is key to their fate. I personally believe expectations for next year will be higher than ever, even when Long announced he was staying for his senior year. Washington, Stove, and Bartley as Seniors, the 3 P5 transfers, and the most high profile recruit straight from high school during Marlin's tenure.

    Along with the win loss record, I want to see how the staff handles this years freshman class as they will all see a decrease in playing time. Miller might welcome it with his knee issues, and if Brown is willing to redshirt that would be best. How Evans and Davis will fit in next year remain to be seen. Each of those guys needs to stick around as they could all develop into key players by the time they are seniors. If the attrition bug bites again that would be another cause for concern with this staff.
    Very good post here. I have said I expect next year to be better than this one but I make no guarantees. With the transfers and a high profile recruit coming in, chemistry may be an issue and we know one reason this year's team did better than predicted was because of chemistry. The way Jay Wright has played recently makes me think he will be missed more than some realize. Still, we should have more depth next season which may prevent a long rough patch. We were able to recover from the one that hit this year but it took so long to get out of it many had written them off. Of course they never stopped believing in themselves. Key to a good season is how do you react when tough times come. One will next year. Getting out of it quicker will be the key to if they are able to improve upon this year.

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    If chemistry is a problem then we have bigger problems. It is not like these guys are transferring in at the beginning of next fall. They will have been here for a full year. I understand you are talking about playing chemistry but there should still be no excuse. Personally I would love to see two sets of five rotating in at each media timeout and lets run the floor.


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    Geaux Cajuns


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunsmike View Post
    Perhaps the compliance officer should have done a better job in that determination. I do wonder if there was subtle pressure put on her back then to make the decision the basketball staff wanted.
    That makes a little more sense.. but I have to say i've been a season ticket holder for 7 years now and the last two home games were two of the most fun I have been to. The home winning streak was nice.. but there was something about those last two games there were fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MelRock View Post
    If chemistry is a problem then we have bigger problems. It is not like these guys are transferring in at the beginning of next fall. They will have been here for a full year. I understand you are talking about playing chemistry but there should still be no excuse. Personally I would love to see two sets of five rotating in at each media timeout and lets run the floor.
    I was talking about chemistry on the floor and not how the guys will get along. Defining roles and players accepting them is what I hope is not an issue. I agree that playing lots of people in an aggressive style would be fun to see.

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    I do love the chemistry of this team. They seem to love playing together.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fais do-do View Post
    I say let Dr. Maggard get his feet grounded, survey the field, then start makes some changes to advance all of the athletic programs at UL. Hopefully, sooner than later. For the love of God, please make contracts to where UL does not get the shaft!
    The best thing BMag can do for MBB is negotiate a much more "Cajun basketball first" arrangement with the Dome, including revenue dollars from concessions and adversitsing. (And that MBB would have priority when scheduling games over CD events).

    Getting creative with scheduling and using his contacts to bring quality named teams to Lafayette while improving OOC scheduling on the road. It would also benefit us if BMag could get the SBC to stop shafting our programs with ridiculous traveling schedules.

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