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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajun90 View Post
    Agree. It's a complex issue all around.

    At this stage I'll be happy to overachieve this year and have big expectations for next. The kids deserve nothing less.

    Personally I think Marlin could do more for the program outside of his coaching duties but I'm still not convinced that would make a noticeable difference to the program as a whole .

    I know this....Marlin has definitely convinced a bunch of players this year that they are relevant and they do have a chance to do something special. I'm good with that. The rest can wait until after the season.

    Oh and one more lil thought on this great game---don't forget that UTA played their AZZ off and that they I think are very well coached

    the rebounding was WAR, talk about some bodies bumping and they are so very talented and speaking of wars, their point and ours did battle!!!


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    MAT I'm in line with you on this issue.

    I think we often give coaches too much credit and too much blame. Marlin sets a good tone for our STUDENT athletes. He could do more in regards to fundraising but he is hamstringed unlike other major coaches at UL.

    It is not a good situation and I'm not saying he is the answer but I also don't think he is a "problem". I question how much success any coach would have under some of the limitations placed on the program at this stage.

    With all that said we are talking large picture. Bring things back down to this season and you have to give them credit up to this point. Job well done.

    It will be interested to see what a new AD does but given the huge mountain of college basketball in the deep south and some of our own limitations it would not surprise me to see that this isn't a priority. Baseball and softball are rolling and Football drives the bus so don't be surprised if basketball is the red headed step child for a while longer.
    That is an interesting point. Basketball was at the the pinnacle of our athletics and now it no longer is. But basketball became the favorite sport of many during the Shipley-Paschal years and it still is for a significant core of fans today.

    I hope Dr. Maggard can figure out a way to keep the torch lit for these people. I still think having past success can help bring it back to prominence.

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    But, as you know, Marlin has attracted less direct support of MBB, in terms of money given to the program, than baseball or softball, to the tune of about a 3 to 1 advantage for each of the stick and ball sports. That dog don't hunt.

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    I have talked to former players on this subject: "Marlin is the First Coach to Do Right by the Program."


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    FTR, I am not railing against fans that aren't happy and I understand why several want a new coach. I go back and forth.

    I get the support for Marlin. Seems like a good man that recruits and graduates top notch individuals (and families). As opposed to a coach that had his own son being arrested for slangin dope.

    I get the anti Marlin crowd because, me included, expect our historically quality basketball program to compete at a high level. IMO, we should always be in contention for an SBC championship.

    Mike gave a great example of the shtt MBB has to deal with. Also, when it costs 75k to get Stephen F. Austin to come to Lafayette, you can see why scheduling is lack luster. (And oh, btw, they refuse to come and play us as well.)

    I forgot about SFA being another school that refuses to play us home and home. Add that to USM, Tulane, UNO now, Lamar, Houston, and Rice as area schools that refuse to play us home and home. I think the last time we bought a D1 home game was when Robert Lee was able to get Centenary to come to the Dome. We got them for cheap as they were dropping out of D1 the next year. We just need to go out of the area and find teams that are willing to play us home and home. We played schools like Robert Morris and Duquesne a few years ago in home and home deals. We can do that type of thing again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hark Mudspeth View Post
    The man has been and still being given time...can he not have a UTA,LATECH ,UALR,Georgia state,USM type season at some point? Is that really too much to expect in 8 years? All similar schools in close proximity.
    It is reasonable to expect a strong season like those schools have had. I just did not expect it this season due to all the new guys. I was hoping it would happen last season and was disappointed it did not occur then.

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    Mike we know the problem, but it is within our powers to fix the problem. It only takes will.

    Mr. Maggard will start today after a very successful weekend of the four major spring sports. IMO he needs to upgrade all non conference sports to the extent possible. To say locals refuse to play us and cry woe is me is not acceptable.


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    Mike we know the problem, but it is within our powers to fix the problem. It only takes will.

    Mr. Maggard will start today after a very successful weekend of the four major spring sports. IMO he needs to upgrade all non conference sports to the extent possible. To say locals refuse to play us and cry woe is me is not acceptable.
    I just gave the solution. Play schools outside of the area in home and home deals. When we went to the Pittsburgh area we played two schools on one trip and they came the next year. You can also go to UCLA and play Pepperdine on the same trip. You get paid for the trip by UCLA and then get a home and home deal with a nearby school. We did that last year. I bet we could do the same with Houston and Houston Baptist. Get paid by the Coogs and have Houston Baptist come home the next year. Now the schools I am mentioning are not the big names but the P5 schools are not traveling in today's world. We do get Iowa next year in the tournament in the tropics on a neutral court but that is not one coming here. I agree that Dr. Maggard needs to get involved here for all the sports and I hope that is a focus area. The non conference home schedule is only one issue. Finishing higher in the league than in recent years is what I would like to see happen. I just knew it would be tough to do this year with basically only three returning players. That is why I say we should focus on what they players did accomplish for now. We also know a staff change will not occur so working on some of these other issues is something that can begin to be tackled in the offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunsmike View Post
    I just gave the solution. Play schools outside of the area in home and home deals. When we went to the Pittsburgh area we played two schools on one trip and they came the next year. You can also go to UCLA and play Pepperdine on the same trip. You get paid for the trip by UCLA and then get a home and home deal with a nearby school. We did that last year. I bet we could do the same with Houston and Houston Baptist. Get paid by the Coogs and have Houston Baptist come home the next year. Now the schools I am mentioning are not the big names but the P5 schools are not traveling in today's world. We do get Iowa next year in the tournament in the tropics on a neutral court but that is not one coming here. I agree that Dr. Maggard needs to get involved here for all the sports and I hope that is a focus area. The non conference home schedule is only one issue. Finishing higher in the league than in recent years is what I would like to see happen. I just knew it would be tough to do this year with basically only three returning players. That is why I say we should focus on what they players did accomplish for now. We also know a staff change will not occur so working on some of these other issues is something that can begin to be tackled in the offseason.
    Mike, with all due respect it isn't your or my job to fix the problem. It isn't even our job to identify the problem. We are fans and all I hear from Marlin is he does not have enough money, and we will continue to get the weakest non conference schedule until his boss says enough.

    There are solutions that do not blame USM, Tulane, LTUR, for not playing us. You have identified some ways and I can only think Marlin and staff were the ones smart enough to take advantage of those opportunities. It isn't his fault that Pepperdine and JMU chose 2017 to be weak.

    Bob nees to help raise funds to bring in better OCC teams. Instead of simply thinking that these games will or won't increase attendance short term we need to see them as recruiting tools, RPI builders, and if successful building a better younger fan base. If a business does not think in terms of long term success they would never invest in short term losing operations needed to insure growth.

    For the moment, I am going to enjoy the conference tournament and a baseball game with Tulame tomorrow. Still long term we need basketball to be much more successful in order to fully take advantage of the NCAA gold mine out there.

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    Mike, with all due respect it isn't your or my job to fix the problem. It isn't even our job to identify the problem. We are fans and all I hear from Marlin is he does not have enough money, and we will continue to get the weakest non conference schedule until his boss says enough.

    There are solutions that do not blame USM, Tulane, LTUR, for not playing us. You have identified some ways and I can only think Marlin and staff were the ones smart enough to take advantage of those opportunities. It isn't his fault that Pepperdine and JMU chose 2017 to be weak.

    Bob nees to help raise funds to bring in better OCC teams. Instead of simply thinking that these games will or won't increase attendance short term we need to see them as recruiting tools, RPI builders, and if successful building a better younger fan base. If a business does not think in terms of long term success they would never invest in short term losing operations needed to insure growth.

    For the moment, I am going to enjoy the conference tournament and a baseball game with Tulame tomorrow. Still long term we need basketball to be much more successful in order to fully take advantage of the NCAA gold mine out there.
    I wont get frustrated because, honestly, it took me a while to accept that MBB is a convoluted, complicated cluster ___. The bottom line is, we have some SERIOUS disadvantages. It is easy to say "we need solutions" and "fix the problem" but an entirely different thing to actually get into the trenches and DO it. USM, UH, etc won't come here. That's not a blame, it's a fact. Among other pains in the ___, geography is becoming more and more of an issue. Even if we take Mike's idea and play further away, we will still incur substantially more cost.

    You made the comment about NCAA tourney money.. What is the payout for simply making the dance? Outside of that, college basketball at our level is not the cash cow that people want to make it out to be. Especially in our situation with the cajundome.

    IMO, our money folks see that MBB in the SBC and the south are a not great investment, and because of that, there is less commitment. I could be wrong, and maybe 15 years of losing and irrelevance has set in with the fanbase. It also doesn't help that a chunk of MBB budget (as does football's budget, only football is much bigger so it hurts less) is subsidizing title IX sports, which we all know hemorrhage money.

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    I don't recall the actual dollars, but very substantial and for a number of years. As I stated in another at another time it would be helpful if the SBC coaching fraternity decided to up their chances of having more than a single entry and maybe two and a win or two. Then you would be talking millions spread over the conferce and participants.

    I've yet to see Bob Marlin approach money raising like Lotief, Robe, Hud. He needs to face the facts, as you call them, find the money to bring in two or three better teams every year. He could also face the music and get paid to visit. I know which way I'd go. Of course we can curse the basketball gods for our geography, and continue to play for three games in March, which by the way is four games this year if lucky.

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    I don't recall the actual dollars, but very substantial and for a number of years. As I stated in another at another time it would be helpful if the SBC coaching fraternity decided to up their chances of having more than a single entry and maybe two and a win or two. Then you would be talking millions spread over the conferce and participants.

    I've yet to see Bob Marlin approach money raising like Lotief, Robe, Hud. He needs to face the facts, as you call them and find the money to bring in two or three better teams every year, or face the music and get paid to visit. I know which way I'd go. Of course we can curse the basketball gods for our geography, and continue to play for three games in March, which by the way is four games this year if lucky.
    The 3 games in March comment pizzed me off. It's ridiculous to look at a season that way, and I don't think he does. The guys certainly don't, which has been put on full display in the last 3 weeks of this season. It's time to pump the brakes on this "3 games in March" shtt.

    To massively oversimplify a very complicated situation, your choices are as you stated: pay to play, or schedule roast beef tech and banana republic university. We either spend our money overpaying average teams to play in front of 3500 fans in the CajunDome, or we spend our money traveling to play better RPI games on the road. Not to mention, finding people that will schedule us. It's an NCAA problem, not a UL problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunEXPRESS View Post
    I don't recall the actual dollars, but very substantial and for a number of years. As I stated in another at another time it would be helpful if the SBC coaching fraternity decided to up their chances of having more than a single entry and maybe two and a win or two. Then you would be talking millions spread over the conferce and participants.

    I've yet to see Bob Marlin approach money raising like Lotief, Robe, Hud. He needs to face the facts, as you call them, find the money to bring in two or three better teams every year. He could also face the music and get paid to visit. I know which way I'd go. Of course we can curse the basketball gods for our geography, and continue to play for three games in March, which by the way is four games this year if lucky.

    This site will give you an idea how much it is worth.

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    I am sorry but you and your but buddies are idiots. Tell where can he raise money? Softball and baseball can sell advertising in their stadium, basketball doesn't have a stadium to sell ads. Softball and baseball get concessions. Baseball and softball does not have to pay rent to host their camps. Baseball and softball can sell other advertisements but basketball can't. Even in the program you get when you walk in we have to have the women's on the same program and the advertisements on the program are for the restaurants that feed the media. Try comparing apples to apples.

    You and your little buddies can get on your knees and suck on La Tech even though they haven't made the NCAA tournament since 1991.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MelRock View Post
    I am sorry but you and your but buddies are idiots. Tell where can he raise money? Softball and baseball can sell advertising in their stadium, basketball doesn't have a stadium to sell ads. Softball and baseball get concessions. Baseball and softball does not have to pay rent to host their camps. Baseball and softball can sell other advertisements but basketball can't. Even in the program you get when you walk in we have to have the women's on the same program and the advertisements on the program are for the restaurants that feed the media. Try comparing apples to apples.

    You and your little buddies can get on your knees and suck on La Tech even though they haven't made the NCAA tournament since 1991.
    And we kinda own TGUN over the last several years..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MelRock View Post
    I am sorry but you and your but buddies are idiots. Tell where can he raise money? Softball and baseball can sell advertising in their stadium, basketball doesn't have a stadium to sell ads. Softball and baseball get concessions. Baseball and softball does not have to pay rent to host their camps. Baseball and softball can sell other advertisements but basketball can't. Even in the program you get when you walk in we have to have the women's on the same program and the advertisements on the program are for the restaurants that feed the media. Try comparing apples to apples.

    You and your little buddies can get on your knees and suck on La Tech even though they haven't made the NCAA tournament since 1991.
    You're an idiot for bringing LTUR into this. I've never been a fan of LTUR. Still you cannot ignore what they accomplish in nowhere-Ville.

    Regardless, it seems you've bought into the can't fix it foolishness.

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    You're an idiot for bringing LTUR into this. I've never been a fan of LTUR. Still you cannot ignore what they accomplish in nowhere-Ville.

    Regardless, it seems you've bought into the can't fix it foolishness.
    No I just believe you are a miserable piece of ____. They haven't accomplished anything in basketball. You keep ____ting on the hard work the players put in ever time you try diminish their accomplishments. We win 6 in a row and you and your reach around buddies come on here and ____ on the program.

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    You're wrong. But that's okay. Three games in March is our best hope now ad in the future. That's your bar for achievement. Give me a break. I don't knock players. They play whose on the schedule.


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    You're wrong. But that's okay. Three games in March is our best hope now ad in the future. That's your bar for achievement. Give me a break. I don't knock players. They play whose on the schedule.
    Hey, again tell me one mid-major that plays FBC football that is consistently in the NCAA tournament besides BYU? You can't but you want us to be something that no one else has done. No you just ____ on every accomplishment of this team.

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    What's the accomplishment? Sixth place and six game winning streak. I've already given the team and Marlin at a boy for the big win and the streak.

    Your problem Mel is historic perspective. I've seen us do much better.


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