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    Different people all the way around. Different relationship.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunT View Post
    Yep, ample ammo to win in the SBC. He has accomplished that, still working with a budget below the top of the conference. Ammo to succeed above the conference, I don't see how that is close to reality when he still doesn't have the top budget to work with in the SBC.
    I can't help asking being we've got another thread comparing T-Joseph to LTURs president. Let's compare football coaches: How does Skip Holtz win at Louisiana Tech?

    - He personally makes $400,000 per year less
    - His schools budget is smaller than UL's
    - He's got stiffer competition by being a member of a stronger conference
    - He's winning in said stronger conference
    - Closer to a top 25 ranking with less money across the board
    - Waxed our team... on the road

    I have a hard time believing Hudspeth is currently maxed out when you look around at what others are working with and their results.

    I am now running for cover!!!

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    Just a disclaimer: I 100% believe in Hudspeth as our coach. I don't want him going anywhere.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    Tulane will not block AAC membership. I don't know where you got that info, but it is wrong.
    Sure....ok, commence with pipe dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDawg View Post
    Sure....ok, commence with pipe dream.
    You have a lot of nerve preaching to others about "pipe dreams"..

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggie85 View Post
    I can't help asking being we've got another thread comparing T-Joseph to LTURs president. Let's compare football coaches: How does Skip Holtz win at Louisiana Tech?

    - He personally makes $400,000 per year less
    - His schools budget is smaller than UL's
    - He's got stiffer competition by being a member of a stronger conference
    - He's winning in said stronger conference
    - Closer to a top 25 ranking with less money across the board
    - Waxed our team... on the road

    I have a hard time believing Hudspeth is maxed out when you look around at what others are working with and their results.

    I am now running for cover!!!
    ---I think that it is a fair question backed up with facts---the biggest thing of course is the recruiting over the years and the last number of years---Got to remember that they had damn good success and with that got some damn good players---Think that their staff is as good as anybody's---They got a QB in that was just great, they got maybe the best RB in the state back, and as I mentioned had some great pick ups in recent recruiting!!! stronger conference is very close to ours like last year!!!

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    Duggie85:"I can't help asking being we've got another thread comparing T-Joseph to LTURs president. Let's compare football coaches: How does Skip Holtz win at Louisiana Tech?

    - He personally makes $400,000 per year less
    - His schools budget is smaller than UL's
    - He's got stiffer competition by being a member of a stronger conference
    - He's winning in said stronger conference
    - Closer to a top 25 ranking with less money across the board
    - Waxed our team... on the road

    I have a hard time believing Hudspeth is currently maxed out when you look around at what others are working with and their results.

    I am now running for cover!!!"

    He would be if most of what you stated was accurate.

    -Central Florida is still on the hook for Holtz this year and has been the first two years. So he is making close to $900K, not $400K.

    -Yes, but what is his football operational budget? And how much larger will it be this year with the cuts 4% to 6% to UL's budget? Or will it be larger?

    -Yes, he has won one season in CUSA with 4-8 and 9-5, 13-13 in two seasons. Besides his win head to head against Hudspeth, how is that better then Mark Hudspeth?

    -All of the rest, see the post above 36-16 plus four bowl wins>13-13 with one bowl win.

    And for the record, I didn't say Hudspeth has accomplished everything in the SBC, he still has one championship and four bowl wins while still not being funded at the top of the SBC.

    I did say I will expect him to win above the SBC when he is given the same funds as the teams you think he should be beating outside of the SBC. Louisiana Tech is the only one right now that has had a lower budget. Tulane, East Carolina, San Diego State and Nevada all have larger budgets.

    Thanks for the discussion.


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    Did Holtz inherit a team that hadn't had a winning record in 16 years?

    It's a lot easier to keep a slow train moving than to get one moving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunT View Post
    Duggie85:"I can't help asking being we've got another thread comparing T-Joseph to LTURs president. Let's compare football coaches: How does Skip Holtz win at Louisiana Tech?

    - He personally makes $400,000 per year less
    - His schools budget is smaller than UL's
    - He's got stiffer competition by being a member of a stronger conference
    - He's winning in said stronger conference
    - Closer to a top 25 ranking with less money across the board
    - Waxed our team... on the road

    I have a hard time believing Hudspeth is currently maxed out when you look around at what others are working with and their results.

    I am now running for cover!!!"

    He would be if most of what you stated was accurate.

    -Central Florida is still on the hook for Holtz this year and has been the first two years. So he is making close to $900K, not $400K.

    -Yes, but what is his football operational budget? And how much larger will it be this year with the cuts 4% to 6% to UL's budget? Or will it be larger?

    -Yes, he has won one season in CUSA with 4-8 and 9-5, 13-13 in two seasons. Besides his win head to head against Hudspeth, how is that better then Mark Hudspeth?

    -All of the rest, see the post above 36-16 plus four bowl wins>13-13 with one bowl win.

    And for the record, I didn't say Hudspeth has accomplished everything in the SBC, he still has one championship and four bowl wins while still not being funded at the top of the SBC.

    I did say I will expect him to win above the SBC when he is given the same funds as the teams you think he should be beating outside of the SBC. Louisiana Tech is the only one right now that has had a lower budget. Tulane, East Carolina, San Diego State and Nevada all have larger budgets.

    Thanks for the discussion.
    Good points. Thanks as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    Did Holtz inherit a team that hadn't had a winning record in 16 years?

    It's a lot easier to keep a slow train moving than to get one moving.

    sfq
    Louisiana Tech? No they won a WAC Championship in 2011 and lost to the TCU in the Poinsettia Bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    Did Holtz inherit a team that hadn't had a winning record in 16 years?

    It's a lot easier to keep a slow train moving than to get one moving.

    sfq
    Valid point.

    But now that our train is slowly rolling, should we expect greater results or come up with reasons on what's holding us back from getting up to speed?

    They have 5 pre-season votes for Top 25 Coaches Poll with a shoe string budget while located in Podunk, USA. If they can do that with similar circumstances as us, no reason Hudspeth shouldn't be able take our program higher levels with what he's working with. And I believe he will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDawg View Post
    Sure....ok, commence with pipe dream.
    Does this qualify as a comment from the La-Te-DA peanut gallery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunfan337 View Post
    You do realize that pretty much everyone else in the AAC would love us in their conference and couldn't care less about what Tulane has to say?
    Where is this info coming from?

    Awesome if true, but have the other schools said that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunrunner View Post
    Where is this info coming from?

    Awesome if true, but have the other schools said that?
    I suspect that comment is based mostly on fan commentary on other sites. Tulane's athletic performance has been pretty dismal for years and fans at the top of the conference get tired of carrying what they believe to be dead weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunfanatico View Post
    I suspect that comment is based mostly on fan commentary on other sites.
    Ok, so not valid info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggie85 View Post
    I can't help asking being we've got another thread comparing T-Joseph to LTURs president. Let's compare football coaches: How does Skip Holtz win at Louisiana Tech?

    - He personally makes $400,000 per year less
    - His schools budget is smaller than UL's
    - He's got stiffer competition by being a member of a stronger conference
    - He's winning in said stronger conference
    - Closer to a top 25 ranking with less money across the board
    - Waxed our team... on the road

    I have a hard time believing Hudspeth is currently maxed out when you look around at what others are working with and their results.

    I am now running for cover!!!
    You are also talking about state budgets I'm assuming, however, La Tech has bigger donors than we do who annually give to their program and supplement their budget. Is this being considered? I'm wondering what their true budget is when said funds are accounted for. Just like the Holtz thing, he's shown as making much less than Hud but he's really making the same when comparing all funding sources. According to our budget, the state is only on the hook for just over $220k for Hud but his pay is obviously supplemented through private means and incentives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Policarp View Post
    The math suggest T-Joe-L is only about at 60% of the commitment level to athletics vs his peer Presidents at Latech & ULM.
    When T'Joe took the job I thought he would be more mindful of the needs of fans for transparency because he had been one of us and knew what it was like to wonder if the administration had your best interests at heart.

    It is very important for the fans to find a conference home that isn't ranked last. The new schools appear to run the SBC and while the old schools just hang in there and aren't respected because they aren't good enough to get out.

    Why can't we bridge that communication gap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr View Post
    You are also talking about state budgets I'm assuming, however, La Tech has bigger donors than we do who annually give to their program and supplement their budget. Is this being considered? I'm wondering what their true budget is when said funds are accounted for. Just like the Holtz thing, he's shown as making much less than Hud but he's really making the same when comparing all funding sources. According to our budget, the state is only on the hook for just over $220k for Hud but his pay is obviously supplemented through private means and incentives.
    Pulled some budget numbers from this article (http://www.thenewsstar.com/story/spo...dget/71155028/) saying we are about $2mill ahead of LTURs budget. Another source is Ragin Pagin, it's constantly posted on here that we have a larger budget.

    My whole point is we're being told Hudspeth is pretty much maxed out as far as recruiting and taking this program to a level other than being SBC Good until he receives more resources. How is Tech about to be a Top 25 team with similar resources, yet we are stuck being not even the best in the Sun Belt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggie85 View Post
    Pulled some budget numbers from this article (http://www.thenewsstar.com/story/spo...dget/71155028/) saying we are about $2mill ahead of LTURs budget. Another source is Ragin Pagin, it's constantly posted on here that we have a larger budget.

    My whole point is we're being told Hudspeth is pretty much maxed out as far as recruiting and taking this program to a level other than being SBC Good until he receives more resources. How is Tech about to be a Top 25 team with similar resources, yet we are stuck being not even the best in the Sun Belt?
    Let me add one statement without reopening the debate, Hudspeth isn't going to recruit mutch better in the SBC because it is the conference. Louisiana Tech isn't recruiting to the SBC, they are recruiting to CUSA, which in 99% of all recruits and parents minds is still not the SBC. So if you want him to raise recruiting to another level, money is part of the equation if we are talking cuts to travel and recruiting budgets and conference is the other elephant in the room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggie85 View Post
    How is Tech about to be a Top 25 team with similar resources, yet we are stuck being not even the best in the Sun Belt?
    I think this goes back to branding. They have a brand advantage over us through saying yes to the WAC, pushing the Louisiana Tech brand, and beating P5 schools, particularly SEC schools, with some regularity for the last 15 or so years. I think that brand still gets them a few recruits each year that we can't get yet.

    We said no to the WAC more than once, refuse to push the Louisiana brand, and can't beat an SEC school to save our life.

    Hopefully, we change that Saturday.

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