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    And at the end of the day, if we keep growing and taking care of business like we have been the past few years, (increase the budget, invest in facilities, hire good coaches, etc.) we'll keep getting better. And if we keep improving, we won't be slumming it in the Sun Belt forever. If we put in the work our time will come.


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    And at the end of the day, if we keep growing and taking care of business like we have been the past few years, (increase the budget, invest in facilities, hire good coaches, etc.) we'll keep getting better. And if we keep improving, we won't be slumming it in the Sun Belt forever. If we put in the work our time will come.
    That's a defeatist attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRebel View Post
    So your answer is to never invite any good schools to join the Sun Belt?
    There is no difference between Coastal Carolina, GaSo, App St and GaSt than McNeese, Lamar, Sam Houston St, NwSt, Nnicholls St and Central Arkansas.

    That's the point, we are adamantly opposed to Southland schools yet welcome other FCS programs with open arms. 38 years ago we said F U to the dregs of collegiate sports and now we are welcoming them back. SMH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRebel View Post
    Good point.

    The question that drives realignment isn't "how good is this program now," but "how good will this program be over the next 20 years?" This is why terrible programs with lots of resources like Tulane were invited over schools like Southern Miss. Anyone can look at ULM and see that they've hit their ceiling. They don't have the resources to do any better than they're doing right now. I think the same thing goes for SLU, who has a budget the size of ULM's and are in a state that's working to cut that budget in half. Coastal Carolina has more resources than those schools. They have a bigger budget that UL, and it seems like they've developed solid, consistent athletic programs. Will they make the conference stronger over the next 20 years? Who the hell knows?

    A name is just a name. Boise State was once just a crappy FCS school no one ever heard of. So was WKU, MT, UTSA, Ga Southern, etc. But after a year or two the FCS label goes out the window. If for some crazy reason the Sun Belt starts to kick butt we'll be known as good G5 conference. If the opposite happens, then we're just a crappy G5 conference. If a school like CC can come and help us kick butt, I'm all for it.
    By your same explanation, now you see why the Cajuns are where we are. How committed are we when we are withholding $6.6 million from our athletic budget voluntarily? Coastal, GaSo, App St and other move ups are more desirable than we are due to the fact that they appear to be moving forward and have forward thinking leaders. While we have a guy who set in place the 3% transfer rule and only transfers about 1.3% of that amount. As we grow our tuition to match LaTech you're talking about close to $10 million annually more to our athletic budget without any additional outside fundraising.

    If we were in the AAC and receive their $$$$ from rights and licensing to go along with the full 3% we would have nearly a $40 million budget without doing anything different than we are now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajun4life View Post
    There is no difference between Coastal Carolina, GaSo, App St and GaSt than McNeese, Lamar, Sam Houston St, NwSt, Nnicholls St and Central Arkansas.

    That's the point, we are adamantly opposed to Southland schools yet welcome other FCS programs with open arms. 38 years ago we said F U to the dregs of collegiate sports and now we are welcoming them back. SMH.
    The Sunbelt is doing what they need to do to survive and schools who they see staying in the Sunbelt for the long haul. These programs are good enough for low tier FBS football but have very little chance in moving on to bigger and better conferences due to other limitations. In that case, I see why they took CC and I think it was a great choice for the conference. No use being upset with the conference... they are not the reason we are still in this ____ty conference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunJack55 View Post
    The Sunbelt is doing what they need to do to survive and schools who they see staying in the Sunbelt for the long haul. These programs are good enough for low tier FBS football but have very little chance in moving on to bigger and better conferences due to other limitations. In that case, I see why they took CC and I think it was a great choice for the conference. No use being upset with the conference... they are not the reason we are still in this ____ty conference.
    So we are in this conference that is doing what it does to survive. We cannot blame the conference for that, only ourselves. Yet we are told not to blame the Ad, or the president. Then it must be the fans fault, and many fans find it uncomfortable to be told we are what we are.

    Over 70 percent of the fans on this site voted Scott Farmer a good to outstanding leader. It's the fans fault, and kill the messengers. Blot them out, put them on ignore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunEXPRESS View Post
    So we are in this conference that is doing what it does to survive. We cannot blame the conference for that, only ourselves. Yet we are told not to blame the Ad, or the president. Then it must be the fans fault, and many fans find it uncomfortable to be told we are what we are.

    Over 70 percent of the fans on this site voted Scott Farmer a good to outstanding leader. It's the fans fault, and kill the messengers. Blot them out, put them on ignore.

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    I do not think the AD/President did nearly enough. Are they solely to blame, no. But they should be Public Enemy Number 1.

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    t-josephine is pretty much solely to blame. Over the last 5 years he has withheld [at a minimum] $15,000,000 - $20,000,000 from athletics that he could have legally given; and he is the ONLY President in the UL System to withhold so much as $1 of the allowable amount. He has slow-played our facilities growth, he has consistently underreported our academic metrics to USN&WR. He has failed to aggressively pursue any conference change and he has abandoned us on the name issue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunJack55 View Post
    The Sunbelt is doing what they need to do to survive and schools who they see staying in the Sunbelt for the long haul. These programs are good enough for low tier FBS football but have very little chance in moving on to bigger and better conferences due to other limitations. In that case, I see why they took CC and I think it was a great choice for the conference. No use being upset with the conference... they are not the reason we are still in this ____ty conference.
    You need 8 football playing schools to survive. Expanding just to expand is dumb. Should have booted Idaho and stay at 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VObserver View Post
    t-josephine is pretty much solely to blame. Over the last 5 years he has withheld [at a minimum] $15,000,000 - $20,000,000 from athletics that he could have legally given; and he is the ONLY President in the UL System to withhold so much as $1 of the allowable amount. He has slow-played our facilities growth, he has consistently underreported our academic metrics to USN&WR. He has failed to aggressively pursue any conference change and he has abandoned us on the name issue.
    Well when you say it like that... Yea..

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    Quote Originally Posted by VObserver View Post
    t-josephine is pretty much solely to blame. Over the last 5 years he has withheld [at a minimum] $15,000,000 - $20,000,000 from athletics that he could have legally given; and he is the ONLY President in the UL System to withhold so much as $1 of the allowable amount. He has slow-played our facilities growth, he has consistently underreported our academic metrics to USN&WR. He has failed to aggressively pursue any conference change and he has abandoned us on the name issue.
    I agree with all of this, but you also have to look at those who were here before him. Had this process started 15-20 years ago like it should have, then we wouldn't have needed an aggressive last minute push.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajun4life View Post
    You need 8 football playing schools to survive. Expanding just to expand is dumb. Should have booted Idaho and stay at 10.
    Maybe they are being proactive knowing that they may be losing a few members in the next few years and won't have to scramble last minute looking for new members. Gives CC time to build and establish a football program.

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    The reason we are still in the SBC is no longer around.

    The wheels of realignment were set years ago, and had nothing to do with the current AD or Administration.

    We were not in position due to decisions made in the mid-nineties.

    The recent CUSA additions of the last few years were nearly entirely about market. We were never in line for an invite to CUSA because of that and because of the terrible decisions 20 years ago.

    Going forward, we will be in a very good position. We have changed as has the landscape.

    This continued harping on something we never had nor were going to have is beyond senseless.

    The time to go nuts was when we pulled the plug on the program in the nineties, then said NO to the WAC twice.

    But, those days are gone. We are full speed ahead.

    Give a rest guys, please.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunJack55 View Post
    Maybe they are being proactive knowing that they may be losing a few members in the next few years and won't have to scramble last minute looking for new members. Gives CC time to build and establish a football program.
    Agree to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunJack55 View Post
    Maybe they are being proactive knowing that they may be losing a few members in the next few years and won't have to scramble last minute looking for new members. Gives CC time to build and establish a football program.
    CC was added for non-football sports. Is this not clear?

    They will help the league tremendously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VObserver View Post
    t-josephine is pretty much solely to blame. Over the last 5 years he has withheld [at a minimum] $15,000,000 - $20,000,000 from athletics that he could have legally given; and he is the ONLY President in the UL System to withhold so much as $1 of the allowable amount. He has slow-played our facilities growth, he has consistently underreported our academic metrics to USN&WR. He has failed to aggressively pursue any conference change and he has abandoned us on the name issue.
    All true.......T-Joe-L has moved at least $20M in Hud's tenure from allowable athletics budget. What exactly is he a Dr of? I can rule out Business degrees.

    & So much for athletics being the "front porch" to a University's image when you choose to not match the same commitment % allowed vs your UL system in-state peers (ALL of them). Dead freaking last in commitment level to athletics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    CC was added for non-football sports. Is this not clear?

    They will help the league tremendously.
    So glad to hear they won't be participating in football.

    Seriously the funding diversion that will will be required is going to erode everything they currently bring to the table.

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    No, not at all. He is saying the SBC sucks, and every good FCS teams comes in and owns the conference, places us in bad company. By your bizarro all or nothing logic we should evict all the horrible FBS teams and bring in a couple of more top line FCS teams. That may not be a bad plan, but it still does not have us in a conference with a couple of P5 wins, and several wins over better G5 teams. No we are still in a conference with wins over two weak FCS team.

    We are still not only comfortable here but NOW I am certain happiest here.

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    places us in bad company? If two teams come in and one goes undefeated in the league and the other kicks our butt at home, how is that the fault of the league?

    Not seeing much logic here.

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    One that is ranked #1 in the FCS this week.
    CCU was not added due to the current status of their football program. They were added as they were the best candidate to balance basketball divisions and the baseball RPI they provide. Just about all league presidents concluded these benefits offset their current football status. Despite their program needing a few years to be truly prepared for FBS competition, they likely could occasionally beat NMSU, Idaho, and Georgia State today.

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    This goes against every excuse we were ever told about how teams get invited.


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