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    _ When did this thread get hijacked?? I thought it was about possible replacements for our coach. _
    It got hijacked when someone suggested that the funding for the upgrade for the softball complex be used instead to hire a new football coach. That's when I pointed out that the upgrade to the softball complex is coming primarily if not soley from the contributions of an alumnus who is choosing to support the deserving softball program. So, again, I say debate all you want about hiring a new fb coach, but leave the softball program alone. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!!! And don't jack their funding...they've earned the outside support that they are getting. Keep up the good work Loteifs.

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    Anyone who doubted the triple option needs to take a look at Georgia Tech's recored...

    Navy's Coach Ken Niumatalolo... Paul Johnson disciple.. was with him since being a grad assistant back in '92.


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    _ I guess I am envious of Tech's coach---handsome, articulate, and seemingly a leader

    Yes they are bad record wise this year, but they look to be good in the future

    --He got some local folks to help out and has kicked ___ in recruiting ---especially in South LA.---We did our best under Stok and I think that local roots helped---MY idea is to have a younger guy and maybe keep the guys on the staff that have brought in the players

    ---Think about this ---would you rather have a coach that could bring in the best players of the one that was a better coach---I take the former because if you get the kid

    a moron can coach them

    In fact a good head coach can teach them how to coach

    but usually they go hand and hand!!!!!!! I think that I would love to be on the hiring committee if it comes about for us!!!! _

    Boomer you forgot to add that he has raped every sport at Tech except football, to the point that his President and his largest donor are now strongarming him to schedule us and ULM in football to save the 'minor' sports.

    His recruits haven't done squat yet. They looked pretty on paper, though.

    No matter what he does up there, it is still Ruston. I was working up there last month, and I saw exactly ONE car with a Tech window decal [I'm a Tech Mom] and that one had a huge LSU Fighting Tigers decal in addition to the Tech Mom one.

    But he is photogenic and outspoken. I'll give you that.

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    _ Boomer you forgot to add that he has raped every sport at Tech except football, to the point that his President and his largest donor are now strongarming him to schedule us and ULM in football to save the 'minor' sports.

    His recruits haven't done squat yet. They looked pretty on paper, though.

    No matter what he does up there, it is still Ruston. I was working up there last month, and I saw exactly ONE car with a Tech window decal [I'm a Tech Mom] and that one had a huge LSU Fighting Tigers decal in addition to the Tech Mom one.

    But he is photogenic and outspoken. I'll give you that. _

    Yesterday, ESPN radio was talking about that very thing, a coach's appearance, style and image. Dan was referring to coaches like the Kansas Coach who weighs over 400 lbs. or Weiss at Notre Dame who have very poor images. When they get on the hot seat, as apparently both coaches are, another compelling reason to dismiss them is they don't have the right image the university want's its coach to have. Image isn't everything, but does matter. There have even been threads here about Bustle's image, how poorly he dresses, chews tabacco, not a good public speaker, is just a good ole boy, etc. Just win and it doesn't matter. Lose and it just adds to the total losing package. Bustle's image and lack of winning are certainly against him at this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonCajun View Post
    _ Yesterday, ESPN radio was talking about that very thing, a coach's appearance, style and image. Dan was referring to coaches like the Kansas Coach who weighs over 400 lbs. or Weiss at Notre Dame who have very poor images. When they get on the hot seat, as apparently both coaches are, another compelling reason to dismiss them is they don't have the right image the university want's its coach to have. Image isn't everything, but does matter. There have even been threads here about Bustle's image, how poorly he dresses, chews tabacco, not a good public speaker, is just a good ole boy, etc. Just win and it doesn't matter. Lose and it just adds to the total losing package. Bustle's image and lack of winning are certainly against him at this time. _
    You are so right on that. Anyone see the Colts coach this weekend? Is he even alive? It is all getting glossed over b/c they are 9-0, but mark my words, when they start losing he will get critisized heavily because of his lack of sideline presence.

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    _ Hey, I love our softball program and you are right, they do deserve the stadium and the upgrades. They earned it. I am just saying that UL is doing it backwards out of necessity because they failed to build winning money driven programs to begin with. If we don't do something soon with football and basketball, the UNO model will start to look attractive. _
    Let's not get off in the weeds on the softball facilities subject. Softball's deserved facilities and support are not taking anything away from our ability to pay much more for a football coach. We also do not need to be haggling over this "signature sport" nonsense. UL softball's success origins had as much to do with timing as anything. While giants were sleeping, we built a world class softball program. We should be proud that when an attempt was made to rob us of it... we persevered and continue to shine.

    Let's be proud of our softball program and stop getting trapped by some scrotum tick that stops by here and tries to claim we are a "softball first" athletic system. While we are trying to restore basketball and baseball, and finally take football serious, we get to enjoy and support the rewards our softball program brings.

    Don't pit our sports programs against each other. That only rips holes in our fabric. We need to put great emphasis on football because it will bring greater returns to everything UL. There is no need to rob other sports in order to do that. We do need the other sports, including all their coaches, to support UL football's necessary rise to success.

    Dooley is a Tool. He looks the part, but he isn't the real deal. As one Tech guy told me with a little gleam in his eye "Derek is an attorney"... I replied, "that only means he's going to be harder to get off your shoe after you realize what he is."

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    If you think Tech's coach is "photogenic" or "handsome".... you need new .


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    _ Let's not get off in the weeds on the softball facilities subject. Softball's deserved facilities and support are not taking anything away from our ability to pay much more for a football coach. We also do not need to be haggling over this "signature sport" nonsense. UL softball's success origins had as much to do with timing as anything. While giants were sleeping, we built a world class softball program. We should be proud that when an attempt was made to rob us of it... we persevered and continue to shine.

    Let's be proud of our softball program and stop getting trapped by some scrotum tick that stops by here and tries to claim we are a "softball first" athletic system. While we are trying to restore basketball and baseball, and finally take football serious, we get to enjoy and support the rewards our softball program brings.

    Don't pit our sports programs against each other. That only rips holes in our fabric. We need to put great emphasis on football because it will bring greater returns to everything UL. There is no need to rob other sports in order to do that. We do need the other sports, including all their coaches, to support UL football's necessary rise to success.

    Dooley is a Tool. He looks the part, but he isn't the real deal. As one Tech guy told me with a little gleam in his eye "Derek is an attorney"... I replied, "that only means he's going to be harder to get off your shoe after you realize what he is." _
    That is what some other state schools are doing with their programs. At least two are putting all of their eggs in one basket and gambling for a big payoff. The problem is that the other sports' coaches and athletes feel shortchanged. I work with a guy whose son played baseball at one such school and he admits they were treated as and felt like second class citizens or neglected redheaded step-children.

    We want to build an entire athletic department not just one sport.

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    How about this name...dan hawkins. He is more than likely on his way out at colorado and look what he did at boise state. Just thinking out loud so tell me what u guys think.
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    I would consider hiring the entire McNeese staff. They work together and know the area.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    _ I would consider hiring the entire McNeese staff. They work together and know the area. _
    Yea, that will make a real statement, excite the fan base and get the donations to RCAF pouring in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammer58 View Post
    _ Yea, that will make a real statement, excite the fan base and get the donations to RCAF pouring in.

    I am afraid of hiring a big name coach beause I don't know if he could function properly on a budget less than he was used to at his last failure of a job.

    My criteria:
    A head coach at his last stop.
    A big winner at his last gig.
    Finger on the pulse of who might make good assistants.
    An intact staff would be a HUGE plus to hit the ground running.
    UL must represent a pay increase over his last stop. Meaning he must appreciate the job.
    Must be able to recruit the area.

    jmo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
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    I am afraid of hiring a big name coach beause I don't know if he could function properly on a budget less than he was used to at his last failure of a job.

    My criteria:
    A head coach at his last stop.
    A big winner at his last gig.
    Finger on the pulse of who might make good assistants.
    An intact staff would be a HUGE plus to hit the ground running.
    UL must represent a pay increase over his last stop. Meaning he must appreciate the job.
    Must be able to recruit the area.

    jmo _
    I agree Turbine...I am not against a name guy but I want the best coach regardless of name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammer58 View Post
    _ Yea, that will make a real statement, excite the fan base and get the donations to RCAF pouring in. _
    I ditto that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clutch0364 View Post
    _ How about this name...dan hawkins. He is more than likely on his way out at colorado and look what he did at boise state. Just thinking out loud so tell me what u guys think.
    igeaux.mobi _

    Dan Hawkins is interesting (in general, not necessarilly as a potential coach for UL). He DID have success at Boise St, but hasn't had nearly as much at Colorado. I think its hard to put all of the problems at CU on him, though. He got there just as they were having a bunch of problems with the recruiting trip scandal, and the female kicker who was allegedly raped by another player. The recruiting scandal resulted in some tough limitations placed on them by the school. Needless to say, when Hawkins started, he definitely had a lot to overcome. Granted, this is his 4th year and he still hasn't logged a winning season, which is concerning. At the end of the day, though, you can't ignore the fact that he inherited a Boise St program that was on the way up (the exact opposite of the situation at CU), and made it better.

    As it relates to a job like UL's, guys like Hawkins are even more interesting. Sometimes these guys will be coming off of these massive buyouts and may not be looking to score as big of a deal with the next job. Sometimes, part of the buyout states that the fired coach retain employment as a HC or Coordinator on the D-1(a) level within one year, and if they do not, then the school no longer owes them anything, which is important (obviously) when a coach is fired with more than one year on his deal. It will also state that when they do find the next job, the buyout payments will be reduced by the amount of the new deal. For example, if a coach gets fired making $400k per year, and his next job pays him $200k per year, then the previous school only owes him the difference between the two, which is $200k. This is how Bustle's contract is worded and its also how John Brady's contract at LSU was written. Some of the bigger coaches, or at least those with bigger salaries, might not have these stipulations, and if they have multiple years left, like Hawkins or Weiss, then something else might be negotiated to reduce the amount of the buyout. Still though, assuming he would want to work immediately, a guy like Hawkins might be looking for a job on a similar level to this one. After being a HC for so long, the idea of being a coordinator may or may not be appealing to him. And, if it's not, then he's likely not going to get much attention from the bigger schools because of his recent past.

    By the way, Hawkins first contract at CU was about $650k ($160k base from school + $490k from Radio/TV deal). Now, he is making about $850k and CU is under contract through the 2012 season. Some say the school doesn't have the money...on the game last night, Fowler and the other two were mentioning that the money was being raised.

    Either way, I don't expect to see Dan Hawkins in Vermilion and Yellow and Orange and Evangeline next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRed View Post
    _ I ditto that. _
    Sustained donations will pour in with winning, otherwise it's a wash to accept big donations only to hand them over to a "name" that may not be able to cope.

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    _ Sustained donations will pour in with winning, otherwise it's a wash to accept big donations only to hand them over to a "name" that may not be able to cope. _

    What tools would a new coach, or our present coaching staff, need to be successful at UL? Simply giving higher salaries without proper infrastructure will not necessarily produce a winner. If we truly want to turn this around and bring in a coach who has a real chance of success, let's identify just what that infrastructure is that needs to be built, starting with these items. Some are underway, some are under design, some have not been addressed. What other items can we add here? These don't necessarily have to all be completed and operational for a new coach, but there must be a stated Plan and Timeline as to all of this that will lure a successful coach here. Otherwise, any replacement of Bustle will face the same frustrations he has had and will not likely be any more successful. For that matter, could Bustle be more successful or have been more successful with all of these things in place or does he need to be replaced regarless? The level of coaching and inability to make game adjustments appears deficient regardless of budget, so a change may be needed. Nonetheless, all of these things MUST be addressed by our President and AD if we are ever going to turn this around and have a truly successful program. I just don't think this has ever been packaged this way, only addressed individually over a period of time, so there is no clear picture of a Plan by the university. And, with all of this, do we need a "name" coach to really turn this around or does that matter as long as we get the "right" coach to take us to another level?

    1. Higher salary for HC and Assistant Coaches
    2. Higher Recruiting Budget
    3. Improved Facilities - but specifically what kind of improvements to stadium, locker rooms, weight room, meeting facilities, recruiting area, offices, etc.
    4. Improved dorms for athletes
    5. Improved marketing of our name, our logo, our image
    6. Increased donations to RCAF to fund much of this
    7. Formalized Plan and Timeline, publicized by the university to the public to get the community and local businesses alligned and supportive of this initiative.

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    I have just read all of the postings on this thread, and find it very interesting. Most of all, it is good to experience true passion for our school. We have a lot of fans, that truly want success, and I think are willing to step up and contribute toward that success. I think we are on the right track.

    I first got to UL (USL) in 1972, and have been a loyal football fan ever since. It has not been as difficult as you may think since I have been a Saints fan since 1967. There are many "good thinkers", "innovative ideas", and "interesting concepts" that have been posted on this site. I encourage each of you to continue sharing your thoughts and recommendations in this site. Please remember for your ideas and suggestions to receive "real" consideration, they need to be done positively with the best interest of UL at the core, not from a whim or whisp of the moment. Important individuals, those who are responsible for making the important decisions, are reading what you have to say here. They are ready to move forward, and they are listening!!

    Throughout this thread, the major theme I picked up on throughout is that the university administration still thinks like it used to. IT DOES NOT, THERE HAS BEEN A CHANGE OF MANAGEMENT!! Assuming they think as in the past is a mistake, do not limit your thinking or imagination to "what used to be"!

    Although they may at times be "bound" by previous encumberences and/or agreements, and will not make "knee jerk" reactions just to demonstrate change, EFFECTIVE, COMMON SENSE CHANGES ARE COMMING!!!

    All of you will soon experience a renewed sense of confidence in the UL Administration. It will be more participative and require your moral and yes your financial support. You will witness very soon a common sense approach to implementing solutions to improve the overall system, as well as, the athletic department. If you have been around for a while then you can appreciate the improvements we have made in just the last 8 years, but as the old song sez, "Baby you ain't seen nuthin yet!"

    GET READY CAJUN NATION, IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN!!!!!


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    If we hire Dan Hawkins... Might as well get Baldwin to be the AD.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunmike04 View Post
    _ I have just read all of the postings on this thread, and find it very interesting. Most of all, it is good to experience true passion for our school. We have a lot of fans, that truly want success, and I think are willing to step up and contribute toward that success. I think we are on the right track.

    I first got to UL (USL) in 1972, and have been a loyal football fan ever since. It has not been as difficult as you may think since I have been a Saints fan since 1967. There are many "good thinkers", "innovative ideas", and "interesting concepts" that have been posted on this site. I encourage each of you to continue sharing your thoughts and recommendations in this site. Please remember for your ideas and suggestions to receive "real" consideration, they need to be done positively with the best interest of UL at the core, not from a whim or whisp of the moment. Important individuals, those who are responsible for making the important decisions, are reading what you have to say here. They are ready to move forward, and they are listening!!

    Throughout this thread, the major theme I picked up on throughout is that the university administration still thinks like it used to. IT DOES NOT, THERE HAS BEEN A CHANGE OF MANAGEMENT!! Assuming they think as in the past is a mistake, do not limit your thinking or imagination to "what used to be"!

    Although they may at times be "bound" by previous encumberences and/or agreements, and will not make "knee jerk" reactions just to demonstrate change, EFFECTIVE, COMMON SENSE CHANGES ARE COMMING!!!

    All of you will soon experience a renewed sense of confidence in the UL Administration. It will be more participative and require your moral and yes your financial support. You will witness very soon a common sense approach to implementing solutions to improve the overall system, as well as, the athletic department. If you have been around for a while then you can appreciate the improvements we have made in just the last 8 years, but as the old song sez, "Baby you ain't seen nuthin yet!"

    GET READY CAJUN NATION, IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN!!!!! _

    This all sounds great, and I desperately want to believe you, but until a solid plan in announced to the public, I can't believe you. While I have seen improvements over the last few years, I am still very sceptical based on the lack of on the field success in all sports (with the exception of softball and baseball to a certain extent) and retention of coaches that obviously do not know what they are doing.

    I hope you are correct, but after years of "next year will be sweet for UL", I just can't get to emotionally committed to what you have posted.

    Show me, and I will support again.

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