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      In 2008, Louisiana Tech played six home football games for the first time since 1982. The Bulldogs also played road games in Kansas, Idaho, Hawaii, New York, California and New Mexico.

    As a member of the Southland Conference in 1982, the Bulldogs played in Lafayette and Monroe, in the Texas cities of Arlington and College Station, in Hattiesburg, Miss., and in Jonesboro, Ark.

    You don't need Google Maps or an MBA to understand that Louisiana Tech's travel budgets have ballooned since the school joined the Western Athletic Conference in 2001.

    The Bulldogs flew 14,760 miles in the 2007 football season. Last year, with a trip to Honolulu on the schedule, the total increased to 18,942 miles. Their closest WAC rival, New Mexico State, is 821 miles from Ruston.

    Louisiana Tech is an extreme example of the high cost of college athletics and how many of the state's universities will have to reconsider expenses because of budget cuts for 2009-10. Athletic directors are bracing for reductions as high as 20%.

    Deep cuts will make it more difficult for Louisiana Tech—and the other lower-tier programs in the NCAA's Division I Football Bowl Subdivision—to compete at an already daunting level. Other schools on leaner budget—those in the Division I Football Championship Subdivision—will have to further strip costs.

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    By Carl Dubois
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    Well, whadda ya' know, Carl Dubois surfaces in the online BR Business Report (of all places) to whack us again. The BR Business Report???

    As Captain Ahab, reaching for a harpoon, would say - "There she blows!--there she blows! A hump like a snow-hill! It is Moby Dick!"

    No Mr. Dubois, for the umpteenth time, UL is not going back to D1aa and the Gulf South Conference. Somebody pass me a harpoon.


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    _ Well, whadda ya' know, Carl Dubois surfaces in the online BR Business Report (of all places) to whack us again. The BR Business Report???

    As Captain Ahab, reaching for a harpoon, would say - "There she blows!--there she blows! A hump like a snow-hill! It is Moby Dick!"

    No Mr. Dubois, for the umpteenth time, UL is not going back to D1aa and the Gulf South Conference. Somebody pass me a harpoon. _

    For the umpteenth time... UL was NEVER in Division 1AA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRed View Post
    For the umpteenth time... UL was NEVER in Division 1AA. _
    True, but we were in the same league with McNeese and Southeastern which is where folks like Mr Dubois want us to be. Forget it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DestinCajun View Post
    _ True, but we were in the same league with McNeese and Southeastern which is where folks like Mr Dubois want us to be. Forget it. _
    Didn't mean to offend. Was just making the correction. And you are right... WAAAAY too many people who have nothing to do with... and are not in the LEAST supporters of UL athletics... worry WAAAY too much about which division we play football in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRed View Post
    _ Didn't mean to offend. Was just making the correction. And you are right... WAAAAY too many people who have nothing to do with... and are not in the LEAST supporters of UL athletics... worry WAAAY too much about which division we play football in. _
    Forget it" was aimed at Mr Dubois, Mr. Stelly, etc. not you.

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    I understand the anger expressed towards Mr Dubois obvious jabs at us and others but the economic problems he writes about are very real and do threaten schools such as UL, ULM & Tech.

    Without serious private money fast we may all find ourselves in a new college athletic environment. Just how long La Tech can remaine where they are is the key. If they are forced to return to the sunbelt things could get interesting really quick.


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    This is the best piece Dubois has ever written. He had a bunch of different quotes and gave a good historical perspective. I find it telling LaTech was portrayed as the odd man out. It looks like Dooleys bravado will blow up in their face.
    BTW, I did not see where it was mentioned we should move down. As it says in the piece I hope sanity prevails at some point with Tech, Tulane, and ULM are in a conference with us.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunFreak View Post
    _ I understand the anger expressed towards Mr Dubois obvious jabs at us and others but the economic problems he writes about are very real and do threaten schools such as UL, ULM & Tech.

    Without serious private money fast we may all find ourselves in a new college athletic environment. Just how long La Tech can remaine where they are is the key. If they are forced to return to the sunbelt things could get interesting really quick. _
    And, who says the Sun Belt will ever take LaTex back? When USA football is up and going we will be at 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DestinCajun View Post
    _ And, who says the Sun Belt will ever take LaTex back? When USA football is up and going we will be at 10. _
    Very true and I would guess that would provide the interesting part of the issue...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetryCajun View Post
    _ This is the best piece Dubois has ever written. He had a bunch of different quotes and gave a good historical perspective. I find it telling LaTech was portrayed as the odd man out. It looks like Dooleys bravado will blow up in their face.

    BTW, I did not see where it was mentioned we should move down. As it says in the piece I hope sanity prevails at some point with Tech, Tulane, and ULM are in a conference with us. _
    Maybe in your opinion it's "his best but it's the typical tripe I've read so many times. Clearing aside the topical issues, the underlying and obvious message is - "get back where you belong".

    Carl states the following in the same breath -

    "Deep cuts will make it more difficult for Louisiana Tech—and the other lower-tier programs in the NCAA's Division I Football Bowl Subdivision—to compete at an already daunting level. Other schools on leaner budget—those in the Division I Football Championship Subdivision—will have to further strip costs.

    The University of New Orleans, which had suspended nine of its 15 sports in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and had an operating deficit of more than $1.3 million in 2007-08, warns it might have drop to intercollegiate athletics."

    LOL, Carl, UNO doesn't play D1A football, it doesn't play any football. What does UNO's rather unique situation have to do with any of this?

    "All over the map

    Conference USA, of which Tulane is a member, stretches from Orlando, Fla., to Huntington, W.Va., to El Paso, Texas. The Sun Belt Conference triangle maxes out from Miami to Bowling Green, Ky., to Denver."

    So Carl, do help us in the SBC by getting Denver (and it's 3 or 4 relevant sports) a new conference home out west. Without Denver the SBC has essentially the same footprint as the SEC. And Carl, what does Tulane have to do with any of this? It's a private school, remember?

    Here's the only newsworthy item in the whole article -

    "And Louisiana, unlike many other states, restricts the use of student-assessed fees to help fund athletics programs. Except in rare exceptions, such fees are specifically for capital outlay, gender equity or life-safety issues."

    Maybe this needs to change!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetryCajun View Post
    ....BTW, I did not see where it was mentioned we should move down....
    Neither did I.

    As to the who should worry bout what, the only school in this state not taking money out of my wallet for their football expenses is Tulane.

    Tech, imo, would have been better served if its guy had remained silent.

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    LaTech is the bullseye of this article. The UL and ULM Sunbelt affiliation does not rise to the argument on travel costs. The article points out that FBS is a more lucrative, albeit tough to compete, level for college athletics. There are already ample FCS state institutions to compete geographically, with reasonable expenses. This article has but one valid comment if it were not for the LaTech situation... state tax revenue decreases hurt state institutions across the board. Is that really new news?

    LSU athletics hogged state tax revenue for half a century before it finally culminated in a self-supporting system. It is very convenient to mention only the result of mainlining state funds. LSU, by the way, does not want Derek Dooley getting crossways with them. He's been abiding by the wink and nod... for now.

    There are no worries because of this and other similar articles. The alignments in the state legislature are already fixed in opinion on this and similar subjects. When this boat gets rocked folks on both sides of the legislative aisle fall in the murky water that is our state funding machine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 4LSU View Post
    _ Neither did I.

    As to the who should worry bout what, the only school in this state not taking money out of my wallet for their football expenses is Tulane.

    Tech, imo, would have been better served if its guy had remained silent. _
    LSU was taking money out of your wallet long before TAF. Student fees would be a good replacement of tax payer dollars. So if people don't want tax dollars spent on athletics, then why not allow student fees? I have no problem with cutting the state money, it can be replaced by student fees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunT View Post
    _ LSU was taking money out of your wallet long before TAF. Student fees would be a good replacement of tax payer dollars. So if people don't want tax dollars spent on athletics, then why not allow student fees? I have no problem with cutting the state money, it can be replaced by student fees. _
    This I know and was why I referenced Tulane as "the only school in this state not taking money out of my wallet for their football expenses is Tulane." And I'm not saying I'm opposed to schools spending some taxpayer funds on sports.

    As to student fees, it's a personal call in my book. I paid my own tab in college and had a hard time doing so. No way would I have ever voted to up my fees for any reason, but if you have kids wanting to do so...that's their business and not mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DestinCajun View Post
    _ And, who says the Sun Belt will ever take LaTex back? When USA football is up and going we will be at 10. _
    The SBC needs to get rid of Denver, UNO, UALR and even USA. How many years will it take for a start-up USA football program to go 1A? It is not easy to move up from 1AA to 1A. I don't know the time frame, but seriously doubt it will happen in less than 5 years. The SBC is currently at 8, will add WKU this year for 9 and LA Tech would take it to 10. A couple more teams would really make the league attractive with a championship game and a complete all sports conference. The question is, who would those 2 teams be? Do we wait several years for USA and hope they have the support to go 1A? That same question goes to UTSA who will be starting football in another year. Why do we want to wait around for them? They certainly have promise, but that is really long range. In the meantime, let's cut our travel losses and improve play against all sports teams. Tulane will NEVER join the SBC, LA Tech might have to. We can remain at 10 and strategically add 2 more members at the right time.

    We are not the only schools facing travel and other budgetary problems. As the article points out, the C-USA is spread out across half the country and will likely need to reallign. What I personally would prefer over the SBC is a more regional conference that might include:

    South - UL, Tulane, USM, Rice, Houston, Troy
    North - LA Tech, SMU, Tulsa, Memphis, UAB, UNT (can substitute Ark. State, ULM, WKU or MTSU for UNT, but UNT makes to most regional sense)

    The South division that I have us in is all bus travel for the teams and easily drivable for fans. That is a huge savings on expenses.

    UTEP can replace LA Tech and return to the WAC, which is a much better regional fit for it. There appears to be some question whether or not UAB can actually sustain football, so we'll see. But, they were an original member of C-USA and will not be left out. Memphis longs to be a member of the Big East, but that will only happen if the Big East goes all sports and drops the basketball only playing schools. Then, E. Carolina, C. Florida and Marshall come into play, along with Memphis. If UAB drops football and Memphis moves to the Big East, add MTSU and Ark. State to our newly formed conference. WKU is only starting its first year of 1A football, but certainly has great potential. For the sake of this example and in the interim, the remaining SBC members, ULM, FIU, FAU, WKU, Ark. State & MTSU can remain a viable conference. There are certainly several scenarios that others might develop and it would be interesting to see those. Conference reallignment is not dead and is still very actively discussed on a conference reallignment board. UL needs to quickly improve its football and basketball status or be on the out looking in when and if conference reallignment does occur. A bowl game this year would do wonders for us along with our continuing facillity improvements and RCAF. The timing of our newly found success could come at just the right time.

    Something will need to take place for schools not only in Louisiana but around the country facing increasing expenses and needing a more regional conference with lower travel costs and closer proximity of member schools leading to better rivalries and increased home attendance, which in turn leads to increased revenue. My preference, obviously, would be the above conference that would include UL. It makes the most sense to me from a geographic and rivalry standpoint, not to mention opening more recruiting doors with our much stronger presence in Texas. Whether or not it makes the same sense to the other schools included is debatable. Anyway, we have a few months to football season and, for me anyway, it is a fun and interesting topic to discuss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4LSU View Post
    _ This I know and was why I referenced Tulane as "the only school in this state not taking money out of my wallet for their football expenses is Tulane." And I'm not saying I'm opposed to schools spending some taxpayer funds on sports.

    As to student fees, it's a personal call in my book. I paid my own tab in college and had a hard time doing so. No way would I have ever voted to up my fees for any reason, but if you have kids wanting to do so...that's their business and not mine. _
    I paid my own way as well working a full time job. I'm just suggesting that state tax dollars may no longer be a viable option in the near future, then student fees would have to be part of the equation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonCajun View Post
    _ The SBC needs to get rid of Denver, UNO, UALR and even USA. How many years will it take for a start-up USA football program to go 1A? It is not easy to move up from 1AA to 1A. I don't know the time frame, but seriously doubt it will happen in less than 5 years. The SBC is currently at 8, will add WKU this year for 9 and LA Tech would take it to 10. A couple more teams would really make the league attractive with a championship game and a complete all sports conference. The question is, who would those 2 teams be? Do we wait several years for USA and hope they have the support to go 1A? That same question goes to UTSA who will be starting football in another year. Why do we want to wait around for them? They certainly have promise, but that is really long range. In the meantime, let's cut our travel losses and improve play against all sports teams. Tulane will NEVER join the SBC, LA Tech might have to. We can remain at 10 and strategically add 2 more members at the right time.

    We are not the only schools facing travel and other budgetary problems. As the article points out, the C-USA is spread out across half the country and will likely need to reallign. What I personally would prefer over the SBC is a more regional conference that might include:

    South - UL, Tulane, USM, Rice, Houston, Troy
    North - LA Tech, SMU, Tulsa, Memphis, UAB, UNT (can substitute Ark. State, ULM, WKU or MTSU for UNT, but UNT makes to most regional sense)

    The South division that I have us in is all bus travel for the teams and easily drivable for fans. That is a huge savings on expenses.

    UTEP can replace LA Tech and return to the WAC, which is a much better regional fit for it. There appears to be some question whether or not UAB can actually sustain football, so we'll see. But, they were an original member of C-USA and will not be left out. Memphis longs to be a member of the Big East, but that will only happen if the Big East goes all sports and drops the basketball only playing schools. Then, E. Carolina, C. Florida and Marshall come into play, along with Memphis. If UAB drops football and Memphis moves to the Big East, add MTSU and Ark. State to our newly formed conference. WKU is only starting its first year of 1A football, but certainly has great potential. For the sake of this example and in the interim, the remaining SBC members, ULM, FIU, FAU, WKU, Ark. State & MTSU can remain a viable conference. There are certainly several scenarios that others might develop and it would be interesting to see those. Conference reallignment is not dead and is still very actively discussed on a conference reallignment board. UL needs to quickly improve its football and basketball status or be on the out looking in when and if conference reallignment does occur. A bowl game this year would do wonders for us along with our continuing facillity improvements and RCAF. The timing of our newly found success could come at just the right time.

    Something will need to take place for schools not only in Louisiana but around the country facing increasing expenses and needing a more regional conference with lower travel costs and closer proximity of member schools leading to better rivalries and increased home attendance, which in turn leads to increased revenue. My preference, obviously, would be the above conference that would include UL. It makes the most sense to me from a geographic and rivalry standpoint, not to mention opening more recruiting doors with our much stronger presence in Texas. Whether or not it makes the same sense to the other schools included is debatable. Anyway, we have a few months to football season and, for me anyway, it is a fun and interesting topic to discuss. _
    They are scheduled to be 1a in less than 5 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4LSU View Post
    As to student fees, it's a personal call in my book. I paid my own tab in college and had a hard time doing so. No way would I have ever voted to up my fees for any reason, but if you have kids wanting to do so...that's their business and not mine. _
    Time when student fees for athletics is most needed: Economic downturn
    Time when student fees for athletics is least popular: Economic downturn

    The highest likelihood of this happening is during a time when it's more easily absorbed by the students/parents paying the bills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonCajun View Post
    _ The SBC needs to get rid of Denver, UNO, UALR and even USA. How many years will it take for a start-up USA football program to go 1A? It is not easy to move up from 1AA to 1A. I don't know the time frame, but seriously doubt it will happen in less than 5 years. The SBC is currently at 8, will add WKU this year for 9 and LA Tech would take it to 10. A couple more teams would really make the league attractive with a championship game and a complete all sports conference. The question is, who would those 2 teams be? Do we wait several years for USA and hope they have the support to go 1A? That same question goes to UTSA who will be starting football in another year. Why do we want to wait around for them? They certainly have promise, but that is really long range. In the meantime, let's cut our travel losses and improve play against all sports teams. Tulane will NEVER join the SBC, LA Tech might have to. We can remain at 10 and strategically add 2 more members at the right time.

    We are not the only schools facing travel and other budgetary problems. As the article points out, the C-USA is spread out across half the country and will likely need to reallign. What I personally would prefer over the SBC is a more regional conference that might include:

    South - UL, Tulane, USM, Rice, Houston, Troy
    North - LA Tech, SMU, Tulsa, Memphis, UAB, UNT (can substitute Ark. State, ULM, WKU or MTSU for UNT, but UNT makes to most regional sense)

    The South division that I have us in is all bus travel for the teams and easily drivable for fans. That is a huge savings on expenses.

    UTEP can replace LA Tech and return to the WAC, which is a much better regional fit for it. There appears to be some question whether or not UAB can actually sustain football, so we'll see. But, they were an original member of C-USA and will not be left out. Memphis longs to be a member of the Big East, but that will only happen if the Big East goes all sports and drops the basketball only playing schools. Then, E. Carolina, C. Florida and Marshall come into play, along with Memphis. If UAB drops football and Memphis moves to the Big East, add MTSU and Ark. State to our newly formed conference. WKU is only starting its first year of 1A football, but certainly has great potential. For the sake of this example and in the interim, the remaining SBC members, ULM, FIU, FAU, WKU, Ark. State & MTSU can remain a viable conference. There are certainly several scenarios that others might develop and it would be interesting to see those. Conference reallignment is not dead and is still very actively discussed on a conference reallignment board. UL needs to quickly improve its football and basketball status or be on the out looking in when and if conference reallignment does occur. A bowl game this year would do wonders for us along with our continuing facillity improvements and RCAF. The timing of our newly found success could come at just the right time.

    Something will need to take place for schools not only in Louisiana but around the country facing increasing expenses and needing a more regional conference with lower travel costs and closer proximity of member schools leading to better rivalries and increased home attendance, which in turn leads to increased revenue. My preference, obviously, would be the above conference that would include UL. It makes the most sense to me from a geographic and rivalry standpoint, not to mention opening more recruiting doors with our much stronger presence in Texas. Whether or not it makes the same sense to the other schools included is debatable. Anyway, we have a few months to football season and, for me anyway, it is a fun and interesting topic to discuss. _
    Love that conference you created but I am beginning to lose faith in the realignment talk. It just seems like it will never happen or when it does happen we will get the shaft b/c of our lack of winning.

    I believe that ULtimateCajun said it in a letter to Walker/Farmer when the "fire Coach Lee" talk was going on. We constantly say that we are trying to better ourselves for conference realignment but honestly what have we done to "better ourselves?" We have a great city that is ready to support a winner but we have no winner to support. The one "major sport" that we were good in has since slipped into being just plain bad, baseball is still respectable but hasn't been great the last few years, softball will not get you in another conference alone and Football hasn't been very good in my lifetime.

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