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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    ....Just like everyone who says I pull for all state schools, just means you can always hitch your wagon to a winning team....
    Nope...it just means that one can enjoy the success of others at the same time that they seek their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4LSU View Post
    _ Nope...it just means that one can enjoy the success of others at the same time that they seek their own. _
    It also means if your cherished LSU kitties went down the tube you would just hop on to the next bandwagon. Dont worry dude we all know what you mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    _ It also means if your cherished LSU kitties went down the tube you would just hop on to the next bandwagon. Dont worry dude we all know what you mean. _
    Not all LSU fans r bad guys...4LSU is one of the good ones on this board!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    _ It also means if your cherished LSU kitties went down the tube you would just hop on to the next bandwagon. Dont worry dude we all know what you mean. _
    Nope...I mean what I say. I'm perfectly capable of pulling for UNO or McNeese or any other state school to do well and at the same time pulling for LSU to do well. If you can't, that's ok...each to our own.

    Yep, you have me figured out. I have a section in my closet devoted to the next bandwagon I want to jump on. I can't put anything over on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhawk View Post
    _ It also means if your cherished LSU kitties went down the tube you would just hop on to the next bandwagon. Dont worry dude we all know what you mean. _
    Ridiculous. I was born and raised in Baton Rouge (also an LSU alum), and I've never seriously cheered for any other school. Sure, I will casually pull for other teams, such as the Cajuns. There are plenty of bandwagon fans out there for every major school that endures a lot of success, but to classify every fan as "bandwagon" just isn't true. If having a lot of bandwagon fans is the byproduct of success, then I'm certainly willing to deal with it. It's pretty simple to realize that more fans equals more exposure which ultimately leads to more $$$$ for your school.

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    _...4LSU is one of the good ones... _
    It says a lot about you that you are willing to speak up for someone from a different fan base....thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4LSU View Post
    _ It says a lot about you that you are willing to speak up for someone from a different fan base....thanks. _
    You have never disrespected anyone on the board and add value to a lot of conversation I'm glad to have you here. Welcome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4LSU View Post
    _ It says a lot about you that you are willing to speak up for someone from a different fan base....thanks. _
    There are no nicer people than Cajun fans. I've never seen competitors act right and get treated so well... from anywhere and everywhere. If UL people are treated poorly, I do believe we are extremely defensive. It has been earned honestly in this state. It is rare for UL fans to go on the attack. Far too often someone states their extremely uneducated opinion against UL and then either runs from the facts or goes into the next round of uneducated emotionally-biased mud-slinging. Some UL people have absolutely had enough of it... and some are on this forum.

    It is ridiculous for any person, fundamentally representing another school, to get on a fan forum of another school and not expect some lively bantering. I like to view other forums of other schools... and people are crazy if they think we (Ragin Cajuns) uniquely slam "guests" who pontificate about their wonderful alma maters... or bandwagon preference.

    There is one prevasive mentality in this state among people who do not bother to learn otherwise.... they continually compare UL to every other state school... except LSU... and believe UL is just "another state school". UL is not as large as LSU. But, "football withstanding"... UL is outpacing the other state schools in a large field of academic areas. It is due primarily to the Acadiana area and a concentrated, fairly long run of oil industry wealth and prosperity.

    Regardless... you act right 4LSU... from what I've seen... and you do not get treated unfairly on here. You aren't very contraversial and haven't very often gone into a "well, I better straighten this out". I don't have a need to get straightened out very often. I try to operate on the facts and continuously weigh my bias into what comes out of my mouth or off my fingertips. You seem to do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammer58 View Post
    _ I stand corrected. _
    Yes the Boomer (I) was refering to the System's vote and not the later legislature's getting into the act!!!!

    -Since Turbine has corrected the unanimous vote I thought that there was---who did vote against it?????????


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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    _ It is in paragraph 1 of "Battle for a Name"

    The vote was 17-1 by the Board of Trustees for State Colleges and Universities who had the same executive rights as the Board of Regents.

    It is funny and sad, when the Judge couldn't find a law prohibiting executive name changes by the Board of Trustees he used the backdoor "there is no law that says you can" route. By that logic I think it is illegal to drive a car at high noon. _
    also don't forget that a precedent had been set when LSUNO's name was changed to UNO by their Board!!!!! Come on do you really think that LSU tried to stop it??????? Man some idiots come to this board!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomer View Post
    _ also don't forget that a precedent had been set when LSUNO's name was changed to UNO by their Board!!!!! Come on do you really think that LSU tried to stop it??????? Man some idiots come to this board!!!!! _
    My friend's older sister and brother were going to then LSUNO at the time they were trying to change the name and I remember it was a bit of a battle that I would recall later in 1984 when we were going through the same. I don't know if the oppostion was from within the LSU Board or from other schools but it took them a little while also though no where near as long as it took UL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSUConnMan View Post
    _ Are you serious? Ole Miss or MSU? Texas or A&M? UF or FSU? I challenge you to find any person in any of those states that will tell you MSU, A&M, or FSU is the state's flagship. The only state in the country where you could possibly find a gray area is California or Virginia. Even then, it would be difficult to find people that will tell you UCLA, not Berkeley is the Flagship, or in VA, UVA's a great school, but William and Mary's the unknown.

    As for North Carolina, UNC is THE school. Be it an NC resident, or any other potential student, and that's the primary target...if you attend another state school, it's only because UNC rejected you. _

    Check out the following article on Flagship status in Texas. Right now, only Texas and TAMU are Flagship status as heads of their systems. However, a school does not have to be a head of a system to have Flagship status. 7 schools in Texas are also vying for Flagship status. Research seems to be the number 1 criteria. Other indicators of excellence are total enrollment, number of doctoral students, state dollars per student and student to faculty ratio. Also, according to this article, California has 6 flagship universities.

    I especially like the last paragraph of the article which states:

    "Though anointing one university is a political hot potato, everyone agreed that more flagships are needed. Money begets money, and if Texas garnered its fair share of federal research dollars based on population, the state could add $3 billion a year to the economy, Daniel said."

    I would guess other than LSU, UL, LA Tech and UNO are the leading universities in the state. How do they and LSU stack up in these categories? In Texas, $100,000,000 in research spending seems to be THE threshold. Where do the above 4 universities stand in that regard? Is UL head and shoulders above LA Tech and UNO as a claim for #2 in Louisiana and flagship status of the UL System? Does LSU exceed $100M in research spending? Could someone, perhaps CajunFun, post the results.

    What I couldn't copy from the article is the following:

    Research Potential

    Research Institutions Research Expenditures

    UT Austin $476M
    TAMU $492M
    UH $78M
    Texas Tech $52M
    UT Dallas $46M
    UTEP $42M
    UT Arlington $40M
    UTSA $32M
    UNT $14M



    UTSA Seeks an Advanced Degree

    If picking Texas' next flagship research university was a baseball team tryout, there would be seven players the University of Texas at San Antonio among them eagerly vying for one, maybe two spots in the lineup.

    But instead of a coach choosing the star athletes, it would be a bleacher full of bickering state lawmakers.

    Picture that and it's easy to see why a state as big as Texas has only the University of Texas at Austin and Texas A&M University to claim as public flagships, while California brags six.

    On Wednesday, lawmakers took a step closer to anointing a third public flagship by inviting leaders of Texas' seven "emerging" research institutions to make a case for why they should become the state's next tier-one research university, and how much it would cost the state.

    The group comprises the University of Houston, Texas Tech University, the University of North Texas in Denton, and the University of Texas campuses in Dallas, Arlington, El Paso and San Antonio.

    "Why do we deserve to be the next one? Because we have momentum," UTSA President Ricardo Romo told a Senate subcommittee led by Judith Zaffirini, D-Laredo.

    Despite Romo's plucky attitude, UTSA appears to be an underdog in the pack, at least when it comes to research spending and doctoral programs. By those same measures, the University of Houston and Texas Tech University are front-runners.

    Last year, UTSA spent $32 million on research, compared with $78 million at UH and $52 million at Texas Tech. Though there's no clear definition of a tier-one research university, college leaders agreed that hitting the $100 million or $150 million mark would put any of the seven universities on the national playing field.

    "We think we can do it, but we have to be really strategic," said Renu Khator, chancellor of the University of Houston System. "It's all about vision. Nobody invests in whining."

    It would cost the state about $70 million per year to add a single tier-one university, $140 million for two and $210 million for three, said David Daniel, president of the University of Texas at Dallas. And it would have to be stable from year to year, like the oil profit endowment that feeds UT-Austin and Texas A&M.

    But instead of choosing one or two lucky winners and handing over the money, Daniel proposed putting it in a pot and letting all seven compete. Some of the money would reward campuses for drumming up community support, offering matching funds for every dollar raised for scholarships, fellowships, endowed professorships and research support. The rest would be incentive funding, doled out according to criteria such as research funding per faculty member and the number of faculty who are members of national academies.

    "I think it would be one of the best investments the state has ever made in its future," Daniel said.

    San Antonio and Dallas are two of the nation's largest metropolitan areas without a flagship university. That could work in UTSA's favor, as could its status as an up-and-coming university with ties to a medical school, the University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio. But UTSA is also a young school with only 20 doctoral programs, a small endowment and relatively weak alumni giving.

    Texas Tech also has a medical school, a law school, more doctoral students and greater research spending. But it's located in Lubbock, a low-growth area.

    UH is closest to hitting the $100 million threshold in research spending, but has weak alumni giving from its days as a commuter college.

    Though anointing one university is a political hot potato, everyone agreed that more flagships are needed. Money begets money, and if Texas garnered its fair share of federal research dollars based on population, the state could add $3 billion a year to the economy, Daniel said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just1More View Post
    ...Regardless... you act right 4LSU... from what I've seen... and you do not get treated unfairly on here.
    Thanks and I don't think I ever implied that I hadn't been treated fairly. I hope not cause I try to avoid the victim approach to life. My comment to Clutch was not intended as a statement on any treatment but rather simply thanking him for an effort he didn't have to make.

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    I may be off a bit but a couple years ago I read LSU's budget was over $2 Billion.

    It was made up of federal research dollars , the hospital system money and Louisiana education funds.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonCajun View Post
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    "We think we can do it, but we have to be really strategic," said Renu Khator, chancellor of the University of Houston System. "It's all about vision. Nobody invests in whining."
    Oops! Looks like we are SOL!


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    Quote Originally Posted by RIVERRANCHMAN View Post
    ... If a school in the UL system was declared “flagship” of the UL system, then more funds would be funneled to it but the others would suffer.
    Which is exactly the system have now. All the schools suffer except LSU, and LSU can't get past mediocre. It has the lowest academic reputation of any major university in a reasonably-sized state.

    Quote Originally Posted by RIVERRANCHMAN View Post
    I continuously see LSU being blamed for UL-Lafayette’s problems on this board. The big boogie man in Baton Rouge.
    Here's my question: you say you're the flagship. We give you (a lot) more money to lead Louisiana.

    So, when have you ever led?

    Tell us of when LSU has used her superior resources to help anyone or anything in the state, other than herself.

    When there's money being passed out, you're the flagship, you're our leader.

    Whenever someone points to the dismal state of education in Louisiana, whenever there's accountability involved however, your attitude is, "Oh, that's not our fault."

    But you've never done anything with your lavish funding to correct it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4LSU View Post
    _ Thanks and I don't think I ever implied that I hadn't been treated fairly. I hope not cause I try to avoid the victim approach to life. My comment to Clutch was not intended as a statement on any treatment but rather simply thanking him for an effort he didn't have to make. _
    You're welcome. My sentence structure may have sounded that way, but I was not saying you implied unfair treatment. I have no use whatsoever for "poor me the victim" mindsets. I feel a more kindred spirit with the Minutemen in the early founding days of our nation. I prefer to shoot my oppressor between his eyes or in the back of his head... whatever gets the job done. But again, I never "feel" like a victim about it.

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