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    Quote Originally Posted by justafan83 View Post
    I didn't question our right to do anything. I offered explanations as to why people may use the "nonpreferred" nicknames that make it ridiculous to get infuriated with them. If that means I'm getting "manhandled" or I am a "faux fan", I really don't care. This whole thing reminds me of making a valid point about Obama and getting called a racist because of it. From the second I said anything about the name, which name usage is what this thread is about, people starting jumping down my throat. The whole point of these boards is discussion. If any of you think that berating someone who isn't necessarily a fan just for using the name of the university is a good thing for UL sports or prestige or whatever, then fine, agree to disagree. The only time I made "simple minded" responses was in response to the same. The part about everyone getting mad about respect of the university was me simply pointing out that there is a process for changing the name that would end the entire name debate forever, and if the university wants it done and can't get it done right now, then obviously it doesn't have the respect or clout or whatever you want to call it to get that done. It wasn't a shot at the university, it was simply saying that if the programs continue to improve, eventually nobody would be able to stop the university from actually changing the name to what it wants. If it wasn't true, the official name of the university wouldn't be University of Louisiana ... at Lafayette right now as we sit here.
    For the record I respect you, hope you noticed.

    Think of the issue this way; When someone uses ULL or some other ambiguous small minded name ... fans are not berating their "simple minded" small name digs, it is a "response to the same in kind" with accuracy thrown in lagnaippe.

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    A few questions for our thick-headed, knuckle dragging, "I-wanna-be-popular" A&M sycophant: Why not let us compete fairly in an open market for ideas? What is so scary about that? How could it possibly be bad for a state to have two competing flagships going toe-to-toe for prominence academically and athletically? Wouldn't that scenario produce the absolute best from both institutions? Wouldn't that competition thereby serve the citizens of the state best? Wouldn't it promote efficiency and excellence? Doesn't that seem to work well elsewhere? Your beloved A&M has an enormous head start, which we are willing to concede. We have been doing far more with much less for decades and are prepared to continue that. We can kick Tiger tail on a dime. So why not let us compete?

    If you can agree with any of that, then you are going to have trouble continuing with this "know your place" line of thinking. This is a juggernaut. If we can string together a few more academic and athletic successes, we will turn the corner on this thing, and you may feel pretty silly being on the wrong side of history.


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    Quote Originally Posted by justafan83 View Post
    I didn't question our right to do anything. I offered explanations as to why people may use the "nonpreferred" nicknames that make it ridiculous to get infuriated with them. If that means I'm getting "manhandled" or I am a "faux fan", I really don't care. This whole thing reminds me of making a valid point about Obama and getting called a racist because of it. From the second I said anything about the name, which name usage is what this thread is about, people starting jumping down my throat. The whole point of these boards is discussion. If any of you think that berating someone who isn't necessarily a fan just for using the name of the university is a good thing for UL sports or prestige or whatever, then fine, agree to disagree. The only time I made "simple minded" responses was in response to the same. The part about everyone getting mad about respect of the university was me simply pointing out that there is a process for changing the name that would end the entire name debate forever, and if the university wants it done and can't get it done right now, then obviously it doesn't have the respect or clout or whatever you want to call it to get that done. It wasn't a shot at the university, it was simply saying that if the programs continue to improve, eventually nobody would be able to stop the university from actually changing the name to what it wants. If it wasn't true, the official name of the university wouldn't be University of Louisiana ... at Lafayette right now as we sit here.

    What you fail to grasp, multiple times I might add, is the OFFICIAL name of the University will never change:

    University of Texas at Austin.................UT, Texas
    University of Alabama at Tuscaloosa.............Bama, Alabama
    University of Tennessee at Knoxville..................UT, Tennessee

    I could go on and on but why? The column on the left are the official names of the University, the column on the right are athletic acronyms, not the official name of the University. We are OFFICIALLY the University of Louisiana ... at Lafayette. Even if we were to be declared the Flagship or Premier University of our System the name would remain the same. Our use of Louisiana is Trademarked for use in athletics. The reason that LSU, Tech and ULM along with the rest of our System Universities attack us over this matter is it 's all that they have to hold on to. We are improving and growing every day and they aren't, they are shrinking. They see this as a way to hold us back but we are reaching our goals regardless........we are The Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns....we are UL

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    justafan83,

    Go to Reinhardt Drive, stop by the football office, and ask Coach Hudspeth his opinion on your comments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by basinbear View Post
    What you fail to grasp, multiple times I might add, is the OFFICIAL name of the University will never change:

    University of Texas at Austin.................UT, Texas
    University of Alabama at Tuscaloosa.............Bama, Alabama
    University of Tennessee at Knoxville..................UT, Tennessee

    All of the above are the flagship universities of their respective systems. They are the oldest, largest & original university in their respective systems & these factors are synonymous with other universities that refer to themselves as university of "state". Also, none of the above have legal restrictions with the use of their name. Regardless of how UL wants to "brand" themselves, the use of "Louisiana" is a violation of the spirit of the law in question.

    The UL administration takes a lot of heat for not promoting the name & allowing the national media to use UL-Lafayette or ULL. The administration knows they are walking a fine line using "Louisiana" & is reluctant to promote said name. In addition, the administration fears ULM will change their name again or ask the state legislature to close all loopholes in the law, which is more likely.

    This is a long shot, but UL should team up with LSU & LTU and attempt to convert most, if not all, of the other four year universities in the state into junior colleges. We are too small of a state to have this many four year universities. UL, LSU & LTU would all benefit as would higher education in the state. However, we know that politics would get into the way of progress & is unlikely to ever happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRanchMan View Post

    This is a long shot, but UL should team up with LSU & LTU and attempt to convert most, if not all, of the other four year universities in the state into junior colleges. We are too small of a state to have this many four year universities. UL, LSU & LTU would all benefit as would higher education in the state. However, we know that politics would get into the way of progress & is unlikely to ever happen.
    Agreed. Based on population, does anyone have a breakdown of other states in the south? Schools in D1, (both FCS and BCS) we have got to have a lot of teams per capita.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRanchMan View Post
    All of the above are the flagship universities of their respective systems. They are the oldest, largest & original university in their respective systems & these factors are synonymous with other universities that refer to themselves as university of "state". Also, none of the above have legal restrictions with the use of their name. Regardless of how UL wants to "brand" themselves, the use of "Louisiana" is a violation of the spirit of the law in question.
    There is no spirit to that law. Its whole intent was to kill spirit.

    By getting overly specific it left no room for spirit. It only left options. "Louisiana" is the best option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRanchMan View Post
    All of the above are the flagship universities of their respective systems. They are the oldest, largest & original university in their respective systems & these factors are synonymous with other universities that refer to themselves as university of "state". Also, none of the above have legal restrictions with the use of their name. Regardless of how UL wants to "brand" themselves, the use of "Louisiana" is a violation of the spirit of the law in question.

    The UL administration takes a lot of heat for not promoting the name & allowing the national media to use UL-Lafayette or ULL. The administration knows they are walking a fine line using "Louisiana" & is reluctant promote said name. In addition, the administration fears ULM will change their name again or ask the state legislature to close all loopholes in the law, which is more likely.

    This is a long shot, but UL should team up with LSU & LTU and attempt to convert most, if not all, of the other four year universities in the state into junior colleges. We are too small of a state to have this many four year universities. UL, LSU & LTU would all benefit as would higher education in the state. However, we know that politics would get into the way of progress & is unlikely to ever happen.
    Easily your most level-headed post. Agreed on most accounts. However, there is no such thing as "the spirit" of a law. Laws are made, by definition, to get rid of grey area. It's either legal or it isn't. Branding ourselves with whatever we chose is not illegal. End of sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRanchMan View Post
    All of the above are the flagship universities of their respective systems. They are the oldest, largest & original university in their respective systems & these factors are synonymous with other universities that refer to themselves as university of “state”. Also, none of the above have legal restrictions with the use of their name. Regardless of how UL wants to “brand” themselves, the use of “Louisiana” is a violation of the spirit of the law in question.

    The UL administration takes a lot of heat for not promoting the name & allowing the national media to use UL-Lafayette or ULL. The administration knows they are walking a fine line using “Louisiana” & is reluctant promote said name. In addition, the administration fears ULM will change their name again or ask the state legislature to close all loopholes in the law, which is more likely.

    This is a long shot, but UL should team up with LSU & LTU and attempt to convert most, if not all, of the other four year universities in the state into junior colleges. We are too small of a state to have this many four year universities. UL, LSU & LTU would all benefit as would higher education in the state. However, we know that politics would get into the way of progress & is unlikely to ever happen.
    Spirit", like principle, has nothing to do with the law. It's all about the fine print, wording and technicalities. And the use of "Louisiana" was not specifically prohibited.

    And frankly, when it comes to athletics and our branding, I really don't give a ____ about "the law"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammer58 View Post
    "Easily your most level-headed post."
    You know, I agree that this was his most level-headed post. But he fully reveals his real motivations for kicking up all of this dust as well. In arguing about the spirit of the grossly unfair law he so heartily supports, our guest here shows that this isn't about law, it isn't about not wanting us to look like whiners. It isn't even about the use of the "legal" name of the university. This is all about our guest being butthurt because someone is impinging on the turf (real or perceived) of his beloved A&M. He's just an intellectually dishonest poser. Not worth your time. Let him go back to Refineryville, his shift at the Olive Garden is about to start.

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    well since I am retiring from the Military maybe I should run for a state office even if I don't win I can push the UL name issue and make my opponents have to take a stand on it one way or another. Maybe this will bring some light to the BS law that was done way back when and we could get it changed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajun Soldier View Post
    well since I am retiring from the Military maybe I should run for a state office even if I don't win I can push the UL name issue and make my opponents have to take a stand on it one way or another. Maybe this will bring some light to the BS law that was done way back when and we could get it changed.
    You sir, have my vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexhead View Post
    You know, I agree that this was his most level-headed post. But he fully reveals his real motivations for kicking up all of this dust as well. In arguing about the spirit of the grossly unfair law he so heartily supports, our guest here shows that this isn't about law, it isn't about not wanting us to look like whiners. It isn't even about the use of the "legal" name of the university. This is all about our guest being butthurt because someone is impinging on the turf (real or perceived) of his beloved A&M. He's just an intellectually dishonest poser. Not worth your time. Let him go back to Refineryville, his shift at the Olive Garden is about to start.
    I support the university in our city being referred to as Louisiana or UL. I am just pointing out facts which have nothing to do with my support of LSU. Unfortunately, on RP, if anyone suggests they support LSU it is automatically assumed they have ill will toward UL, which is not the case.

    Violation of the “spirit of the law” is a legal term used in court when someone is accused of manipulating a law in question. While I don’t think legal action would ever be brought against UL for using “Louisiana”, the term may be used by ULM & other state universities when attempting to convince the state legislature to close any alleged loopholes in the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRanchMan View Post
    All of the above are the flagship universities of their respective systems. They are the oldest, largest & original university in their respective systems & these factors are synonymous with other universities that refer to themselves as university of “state”. Also, none of the above have legal restrictions with the use of their name. Regardless of how UL wants to “brand” themselves, the use of “Louisiana” is a violation of the spirit of the law in question.

    The UL administration takes a lot of heat for not promoting the name & allowing the national media to use UL-Lafayette or ULL. The administration knows they are walking a fine line using “Louisiana” & is reluctant promote said name. In addition, the administration fears ULM will change their name again or ask the state legislature to close all loopholes in the law, which is more likely.

    This is a long shot, but UL should team up with LSU & LTU and attempt to convert most, if not all, of the other four year universities in the state into junior colleges. We are too small of a state to have this many four year universities. UL, LSU & LTU would all benefit as would higher education in the state. However, we know that politics would get into the way of progress & is unlikely to ever happen.
    There is no law anywhere in the Country against a non flagship University using the state name as a acronym for Athletic teams. The Administration at LSU does not care that we use "Louisiana" as a Athletics brand. ULM and its President, who back stabs us every chance he gets, is the culprit.....in spite of the fact that they tried the same thing in the early 2000's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRanchMan View Post
    I support the university in our city being referred to as Louisiana or UL. I am just pointing out facts which have nothing to do with my support of LSU. Unfortunately, on RP, if anyone suggests they support LSU it is automatically assumed they have ill will toward UL, which is not the case.

    Violation of the “spirit of the law” is a legal term used in court when someone is accused of manipulating a law in question. While I don’t think legal action would ever be brought against UL for using “Louisiana”, the term may be used by ULM & other state universities when attempting to convince the state legislature to close any alleged loopholes in the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRanchMan View Post
    I support the university in our city being referred to as Louisiana or UL. I am just pointing out facts which have nothing to do with my support of LSU. Unfortunately, on RP, if anyone suggests they support LSU it is automatically assumed they have ill will toward UL, which is not the case.

    Violation of the “spirit of the law” is a legal term used in court when someone is accused of manipulating a law in question. While I don’t think legal action would ever be brought against UL for using “Louisiana”, the term may be used by ULM & other state universities when attempting to convince the state legislature to close any alleged loopholes in the law.
    Those Universities have lost around 50% of their state funding over the last several years and this is what they want to fight over....smart

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRanchMan View Post
    All of the above are the flagship universities of their respective systems. They are the oldest, largest & original university in their respective systems & these factors are synonymous with other universities that refer to themselves as university of "state". Also, none of the above have legal restrictions with the use of their name. Regardless of how UL wants to "brand" themselves, the use of "Louisiana" is a violation of the spirit of the law in question.

    The UL administration takes a lot of heat for not promoting the name & allowing the national media to use UL-Lafayette or ULL. The administration knows they are walking a fine line using "Louisiana" & is reluctant to promote said name. In addition, the administration fears ULM will change their name again or ask the state legislature to close all loopholes in the law, which is more likely.

    This is a long shot, but UL should team up with LSU & LTU and attempt to convert most, if not all, of the other four year universities in the state into junior colleges. We are too small of a state to have this many four year universities. UL, LSU & LTU would all benefit as would higher education in the state. However, we know that politics would get into the way of progress & is unlikely to ever happen.
    I think Texas actually has five flagship universities. They don't seem to feel the need to legislate academic achievement success or athletic naming for that matter. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening in Louisiana any time soon.

    As to reducing four year universities, I totally agree.

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    I would like to see more consistency within athletics across all sports on the athletic branding on their uniforms. If For example, if Louisiana is the most important brand designation, the Louisiana is the most prominently displayed. Sometimes Louisiana is the footnote with Ragin Cajuns in large letters.

    As we get more and more athletic events on national TV, wouldn't it be better for branding if Louisiana was the most dominate lettering?

    Shouldn't the football take the lead in setting the consistency standard by which the other sports follow, since it sort of drives the bus in athletics.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRanchMan View Post
    All of the above are the flagship universities of their respective systems. They are the oldest, largest & original university in their respective systems & these factors are synonymous with other universities that refer to themselves as university of "state". Also, none of the above have legal restrictions with the use of their name. Regardless of how UL wants to "brand" themselves, the use of "Louisiana" is a violation of the spirit of the law in question.

    The UL administration takes a lot of heat for not promoting the name & allowing the national media to use UL-Lafayette or ULL. The administration knows they are walking a fine line using "Louisiana" & is reluctant to promote said name. In addition, the administration fears ULM will change their name again or ask the state legislature to close all loopholes in the law, which is more likely.

    This is a long shot, but UL should team up with LSU & LTU and attempt to convert most, if not all, of the other four year universities in the state into junior colleges. We are too small of a state to have this many four year universities. UL, LSU & LTU would all benefit as would higher education in the state. However, we know that politics would get into the way of progress & is unlikely to ever happen.
    I agree with your comments regarding consolidation of universities and making all schools other than LSU, UL, LA Tech and UNO either branch campuses of the 4 largest schools or only 4 year universities. Remove all the duplication of graduate degrees and any research. Focus both on the 4 main universities.

    Now, regarding our name. Everybody is so concerned about the University of Louisiana name. Use of "Louisiana" only is legal and hasn't seemed to bother anyone, although most media refuse to recognize is that way, particularly ESPN. Use of UL is a major faux pas to most people and is against the law. An option is to do what the University of Oklahoma, University of Kansas, and the University of Colorado do using OU, KU and CU for their abbreviations. IF Louisiana is legal because we are not using "University of", then LU is also legal because the law only requires use of a city tag when "UL" is or "University of" are used. We are entrenched in UL, but something has got to give. We can't continue fighting a losing battle. Louisiana and LU would be completely legal. I'm still not sure, however, that could get ESPN to stop calling us Louisiana Lafayette. They televised us for 3 straight days with LOUISIANA on our uniforms, our filed, our scoreboard, and any releases by our SID, and still would call us that.

    Lafayette is now the 3rd largest, wealthiest and fastest growing city in Louisiana. We should have a powerful delegation. If University of Louisiana will never be attained and use of UL will never be allowed, maybe we should do what was done in Ohio. Seems to be awfully similar to our situation in Louisiana with us and LSU. Ohio has both the big dog, THE Ohio State University, and Ohio University (not the University of Ohio) along with other state universities. I suspect Ohio State objected to their use of University of Ohio just as LSU and other state schools do with our use of University of Louisiana. Let's use our powerful delegation to go to the legislature and request our name be changed to Louisiana University. ULM will then be forced to change their name and can go back to NLU, except as North Louisiana University, which many of their alumni will love. Then, we are Louisiana and can use just an "L" along with LU as an abbreviation. Would there be political objections to Louisiana University? Who knows? It certainly wouldn't project us as the University of Louisiana and flagship of the University of Louisiana System, which I think is why most other schools fight us on this. We have to do something. It has been 14 years and we are still fighting this rediculous name battle with no end in sight. Our administration won't push the envelope on this and we are getting more and more entrenched as Louisiana Lafayette. Winning alone will NOT solve the problem. We MUST get more creative. Would you rather compete with Lamar for LU or Louisville for UL (I don't care if Louisville goes by UofL, they are still associated with UL)? That should be a nobrainer. I, for one, would be very happy with Louisiana University and LU. It just might be attainable and would give us the identity we grave.

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