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    For what it's worth NBADraft.Net has both Payton and Long in recently updated mock drafts. Payton going 23rd to Jazz in 2014 (http://nbadraft.net/2014mock_draft) and Long going 14th to Grizzlies in 2015 (http://nbadraft.net/2015mock_draft).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Parrott View Post
    For what it's worth NBADraft.Net has both Payton and Long in recently updated mock drafts. Payton going 23rd to Jazz in 2014 (http://nbadraft.net/2014mock_draft) and Long going 14th to Grizzlies in 2015 (http://nbadraft.net/2015mock_draft).
    Well the draft experts here don't think either are R1 material, much less NBA material. They do twice as much research to come to that conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parrott View Post
    For what it's worth NBADraft.Net has both Payton and Long in recently updated mock drafts. Payton going 23rd to Jazz in 2014 (http://nbadraft.net/2014mock_draft) and Long going 14th to Grizzlies in 2015 (http://nbadraft.net/2015mock_draft).
    Look no further than the Houston rockets GM's comment on their 1st round choice from last year, dude is yet to play.

    Or here's two words "experts" love...JaMarcus Russell.

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    Long's 2nd discipline in a couple weeks
    Makes me nervous.

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    Hire the next Brad Stevens????? Why stoop that low.. lets hire the next John Wooden..

    SMH
    Why is it always out of the realm of possibility that there are others like Brad Stevens that are just waiting for that opportunity to seize. They just need the green light

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunfan337 View Post
    Why is it always out of the realm of possibility that there are others like Brad Stevens that are just waiting for that opportunity to seize. They just need the green light
    I think there are definitely guys out there like Stevens. But, if it were that easy to find them, everyone would be playing in the National Championship game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parrott View Post
    For what it's worth NBADraft.Net has both Payton and Long in recently updated mock drafts. Payton going 23rd to Jazz in 2014 (http://nbadraft.net/2014mock_draft) and Long going 14th to Grizzlies in 2015 (http://nbadraft.net/2015mock_draft).
    You can count on one hand the number of years we have had 2 NBA draft prospects on the same roster.

    Where would this year's squad rank in the pantheon of Cajuns basketball?

    What a waste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    You can count on one hand the number of years we have had 2 NBA draft prospects on the same roster.

    Where would this year's squad rank in the pantheon of Cajuns basketball?

    What a waste.
    Careful.

    Last time somebody asked that question, UL got the death penalty.

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    Josh, what site are you getting that mock draft from? I have to say, I'm shocked to see Payton going 23rd. And Long even being drafted. Guess it speaks to the watered down version that the NBA has become.


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    Looking at the competition they play against, EP and Long are not NBA eligible......Put them against top teams and they would be bench players.......


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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    Josh, what site are you getting that mock draft from? I have to say, I'm shocked to see Payton going 23rd. And Long even being drafted. Guess it speaks to the watered down version that the NBA has become.
    Long's projection is for next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchie35 View Post
    Looking at the competition they play against, EP and Long are not NBA eligible......Put them against top teams and they would be bench players.......
    Put your opinion up against any of the names Elfrid played with this summer and you would find out you have no clue what you're talking about.

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    EP is the ultimate point guard, only he has nobody to toss it to. He lacks free throw success, and a long jump shot. Things that he will improve on. He is by todays standards NBA ready because they draft premier players in the first round not on what you are, but what you might become. Second round is what you are now with much less hope of a bigger upside.

    Case in mind is the Rivers kid that was drafted by the Pelicans. He was needing some physical maturation,seasoning, and after two seasons it looks like it was a wasted pick.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchie35 View Post
    Looking at the competition they play against, EP and Long are not NBA eligible......Put them against top teams and they would be bench players.......
    Elfrid Payton started for a team that included all NBA players. He shared the back court with a first round pick from Duke. The other lead guard will be a top 5 pick this year. The 4 man is a lottery pick out of Arizona. And, the five man is the number one HS Prospect in the country this year, who will be the number one pick in the NBA draft the following year. But, EP is not an NBA player? Also, go watch the gold medal game against Serbia, and EP was the best player in the second half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    Josh, what site are you getting that mock draft from? I have to say, I'm shocked to see Payton going 23rd. And Long even being drafted. Guess it speaks to the watered down version that the NBA has become.
    NBADraft.net.

    From its website: "The team needs are not factored into the mock draft until after the NBA season ends. NBADraft.net has been projecting the NBA draft since 2000. Our projections are based on the opinions of the scouts that work for NBADraft.net, and the NBA and International scouts that we speak with."

    DraftExpress.com has Payton as a second-round pick in 2014 (37th overall to Cavs): http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2014/

    More on DraftExpress.com: "Our staff pours through hours of video every year, travels to games and tournaments around the globe, and maintains a constant dialogue with the brightest minds in the business, in order to assemble the most comprehensive pool of information possible. We utilize the most modern scouting tools currently available anywhere in the world, often better than what NBA teams have at their disposal. We have become highly respected in the industry for the attention to detail, consistency, and quality we bring to our work."

    Take what you will from that, but those guys aren't sitting in mom's basement and randomly making up mock drafts without input from pro scouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parrott View Post
    NBADraft.net.

    From its website: "The team needs are not factored into the mock draft until after the NBA season ends. NBADraft.net has been projecting the NBA draft since 2000. Our projections are based on the opinions of the scouts that work for NBADraft.net, and the NBA and International scouts that we speak with."

    DraftExpress.com has Payton as a second-round pick in 2014 (37th overall to Cavs): http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2014/

    More on DraftExpress.com: "Our staff pours through hours of video every year, travels to games and tournaments around the globe, and maintains a constant dialogue with the brightest minds in the business, in order to assemble the most comprehensive pool of information possible. We utilize the most modern scouting tools currently available anywhere in the world, often better than what NBA teams have at their disposal. We have become highly respected in the industry for the attention to detail, consistency, and quality we bring to our work."

    Take what you will from that, but those guys aren't sitting in mom's basement and randomly making up mock drafts without input from pro scouts.
    Well that's why I asked. I've never seen you post fly-by-night info. The question was 80% genuine, 20% snark.

    Still pleasantly surprised however. I, like many here, have my reservations about his draft status. I know he shined amongst NBA hopefuls, but I put a lot of stock in what I see 2 times a week in a bad conference. Human nature I suppose.

    Hope all is well JP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    Well that's why I asked. I've never seen you post fly-by-night info. The question was 80% genuine, 20% snark.

    Still pleasantly surprised however. I, like many here, have my reservations about his draft status. I know he shined amongst NBA hopefuls, but I put a lot of stock in what I see 2 times a week in a bad conference. Human nature I suppose.

    Hope all is well JP.
    -32nd in the country in ppg (as the 2nd best scorer on his own team)
    -15th in the country in apg.
    -Averages 6 rpg as a Point Guard.

    I'd say he's doing exactly what a good player should do in a bad conference.

    http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball...individual/140

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunfan337 View Post
    Why is it always out of the realm of possibility that there are others like Brad Stevens that are just waiting for that opportunity to seize. They just need the green light
    At one time he was right under our nose! Paul Johnson

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunhaven View Post
    At one time he was right under our nose! Paul Johnson
    Paul, is that you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    Well that's why I asked. I've never seen you post fly-by-night info. The question was 80% genuine, 20% snark.

    Still pleasantly surprised however. I, like many here, have my reservations about his draft status. I know he shined amongst NBA hopefuls, but I put a lot of stock in what I see 2 times a week in a bad conference. Human nature I suppose.

    Hope all is well JP.
    Not a problem. I'm used to dealing with some snark (both on the job and at home) but did not take offense to your post. I did not intend for my response to be snarky, so my apologies if it came across that way.

    In my opinion, Elfrid Payton and Shawn Long are NBA prospects given their current skills, size and potential but are both far from finished products. They still have room to grow in college with remaining eligibility. As others have pointed out, the NBA cares about upside, and both of those guys have plenty of it.

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