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    Quote Originally Posted by axg8750 View Post
    Suffer? I would hope that a grown ___ man doesn't consider a bruise from HBP as "suffering".

    I'm saying, considering the injury he inflicted to Luc's face and brain, he got off too easy with the pitch glancing off of him.

    I never said that I wish he would have suffered a serious injury (like broken face and concussion) but I would not be feeling sorry for him if the pitch had landed squarely between his shoulder blades where it was intended to.
    Look, again you are assuming that his intent was to injure Luce's face. Since I don't read minds, I can only conclude his intention was to jar the ball from his glove. Again, Jake is not known as a dirty player, simply a player that plays the game hard.

    I don't know how old you are, but hitting someone with a fastball in the ear hole are in the helmet period with a 95 mph fastball could actually do as much damage as the hit on Luce's head or worse. Have you ever heard of Dickie Thon, Tony Conigliaro and Mike Jorgensen just to name a few?

    Baseball has a way of policing itself on the field with their unwritten rules. But you don't retaliate by throwing at someone's head for an action that you are uncertain was intentional attempt to injure.

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    Just curious about how all of the Astro homers would feel if Lucroy's neck would have been broken? That hit was absolutely brutal and if he takes the outside lane, the dude would most likely have been safe. I'm not saying he's a dirty player, but that wasn't a clean hit unless your interpretation of clean is to knock someone out.
    The answer is in the reason the rule was changed. Have you ever heard of Ray Fosse? He was hit in a similar manner by Pete Rose in 1970. These types of injuries continued for years until MLB changed the rule on collisions at the plate. His slide was inside the baseline, which was a violation of the rule. He was called out and suspended for two games. End of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajun4life View Post
    That pitch was intended for his ear hole. No one would be saying anything if Marisnick plowed another catcher, but it's Lucroy so we are all ____ed off.
    I'd imagine the story here would be different if it was a rangers outfielder that did that to Lucroy. The same reason people are ____ed bc it's lucroy is the same reason some are defending Marisnick

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    I'd imagine the story here would be different if it was a rangers outfielder that did that to Lucroy. The same reason people are ____ed bc it's lucroy is the same reason some are defending Marisnick
    I'm defending Marisnick because he has no history of being a dirty player. Just like I would have defended Lucroy had he did a swipe tag with his mitt across Marisnick's face on a slide at home plate. Neither have a history of playing the game dirty, which is why their teammates are vigorously defending them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycajun View Post
    I'd imagine the story here would be different if it was a rangers outfielder that did that to Lucroy. The same reason people are ____ed bc it's lucroy is the same reason some are defending Marisnick
    I'd feel the same way. Legal or not, the play should warrant a suspension regardless of intent.

    The retaliation was way worse than the collision. You don't throw at people's head, period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunT View Post
    I'm defending Marisnick because he has no history of being a dirty player. Just like I would have defended Lucroy had he did a swipe tag with his mitt across Marisnick's face on a slide at home plate. Neither have a history of playing the game dirty, which is why their teammates are vigorously defending them.
    Didn't anything about the play whether it was dirty or not. If it was the brewers and the Rockies nobody would give 2 shts. The only reason it's being talked about here so much is it was Lucroy and the Astros. If any other team did it to Lucroy besides the Astros there would be different comments here. People have biases and there is nothing wrong with that, that's what fans are...bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunT View Post
    Look, again you are assuming that his intent was to injure Luce's face. Since I don't read minds, I can only conclude his intention was to jar the ball from his glove. Again, Jake is not known as a dirty player, simply a player that plays the game hard.

    I don't know how old you are, but hitting someone with a fastball in the ear hole are in the helmet period with a 95 mph fastball could actually do as much damage as the hit on Luce's head or worse. Have you ever heard of ____ie Thon, Tony Conigliaro and Mike Jorgensen just to name a few?

    Baseball has a way of policing itself on the field with their unwritten rules. But you don't retaliate by throwing at someone's head for an action that you are uncertain was intentional attempt to injure.
    Just like you "don't think" Jake intended to injure Lucroy I don't "think the pitcher was throwing for his head. I think he was trying to hit him between the shoulder blades and the pitch was a few inches high.

    Pitchers don't practice throwing at batters. Players practice sliding all of the time. It is much more likely that the pitch was a bit higher than the player making a poor decision on something he practices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajun4life View Post
    I'd feel the same way. Legal or not, the play should warrant a suspension regardless of intent.

    The retaliation was way worse than the collision. You don't throw at people's head, period.
    I don't think Ramirez is a dirty player and that's the issue with not knowing intent. He meant to hit him but maybe not meant to throw at his head. Just like I think Marisnick intended to make contact but had no intent to injure Lucroy. ___ happens.

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    Just like you "don't think" Jake intended to injure Lucroy I don't "think the pitcher was throwing for his head. I think he was trying to hit him between the shoulder blades and the pitch was a few inches high.

    Pitchers don't practice throwing at batters. Players practice sliding all of the time. It is much more likely that the pitch was a bit higher than the player making a poor decision on something he practices.
    Okay, I have no clue what the pitchers intention was other than to retaliate for the slide on LuCroy. As I said, both have been suspended for their actions and the season moves on.

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    Default Re: Tracking the Preaux Career of Jonathan Lucroy

    How is this thread still going?


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    Quote Originally Posted by stpacronym View Post
    How is this thread still going?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajun4life View Post
    I'd feel the same way. Legal or not, the play should warrant a suspension regardless of intent.

    The retaliation was way worse than the collision. You don't throw at people's head, period.
    Only God and Rameriz know where he intended to throw the pitch. You are neither.

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