UL Does Not Fund T&F Qualifier

[moorecajun]

Well, let's look at this in a different lignt then.

Is it an ncaa violation for us (fans) to get involved and pay for the expenses? If it is not, Turbine, why don't we start a fundraiser here to raise money to reimberse the expenses. This would be a win-win for us ... first, the UL athlete is competing at the highest level for free; they will not really care if it was UL admin or UL fans that footed the bill; it is still a benefit for UL. Second, the admin sees that we care about our athletes and will put forth more effort in the future. I do consider this an RCAF type expenditure ... maybe they should come forward with the support and we could earmark donations to them for the cause.

If it is not an ncaa violation, we need to pay for it!

[CajunT]

Again I disagree with your view. This is not an either or situation. There are so few of these type situations that it makes no difference to football. It does make a big difference to the track team. Now they cannot say the univeristy will support them all the way to the Olympics, and that will cost us more than five thousand in the long run.

I think if T Joe wanted this to happen it could happen with no effect on football. There are plenty of people out there who would support this persons trip just because they are UL people who might never put a nickle in any team ventue. He needs to be aware and make it happen.

Express I disagree with you on this. This is not a NCAA sanctioned event, but about a dream of competing in the US Olympic trials in Oregon. It's not about the effect on football or any other sports for that matter, its not a NCAA sanctioned event. It's not T-Joe's job to get any of his college athletes to the US Olympic trials. In fact Olympic athletes are funded by private donations or sponsors. Could T-Joe call a couple of wealthy friends and solicit donations? Sure! So could every person in this thread that is outraged by the news. Here is a novel idea, why don't the people in this thread that are outraged find out what is allowed by the NCAA and then proceed. Seems to me that would much more productive then sitting around and demanding someone else do it!

[Camz]

$2500 to send someone to oregon? wtf?

[Crawfish]

I have a question:

Since the US Olympic Trials is not a NCAA sactioned event, can UL do this and not be in violation of NCAA regulations?

[CajunFan3406]

$2500 to send someone to oregon? wtf?

That number is probably right if she travels alone. Flights are expensive this close to the date.

[njustice]

That number is probably right if she travels alone. Flights are expensive this close to the date.

I got on Priceline and found a flight for $900. Hotel would be the expensive part.

[Turbine]

I have a question:

Since the US Olympic Trials is not a NCAA sactioned event, can UL do this and not be in violation of NCAA regulations?

Don you are so GQ

[CajunFan3406]

I got on Priceline and found a flight for $900. Hotel would be the expensive part.

Triple jump qualifying starts Saturday afternoon so you need to get there as early as possible on Friday, or Thursday afternoon would be even more beneficial. If you're going to book round trip you have to plan her return flight as if she qualifies and jumps in the final which is Monday afternoon. She'd travel back on Tuesday. Go back on Priceline again. Actually I saved you the trouble, best flight to fit that schedule is over a grand ($1100+). Due to influx of people in that area, it's looking like any decent hotel is in the $150+ range a night, x5 nights, add taxes, and now you're at $800+ for the room. Now you add a couple hundred for food, and a couple hundred more for a rental car. Now you're getting pretty close to the $2500 mark. Although they could save about $250 if she flew into Portland and drove down to Eugene.
I travel out to California last minute like this all the time, and unless you're staying in a hotel for over a week, the flight is usually always your biggest expense.

Sucks for Jasmine or any qualifier who doesn't know someone with deep pockets.

[VObserver]

I have a question:

Since the US Olympic Trials is not a NCAA sactioned event, can UL do this and not be in violation of NCAA regulations?

Fish, if it is a violation, every school in the NCAA except UL breaks it. when c4l went to the USATF Junior National Championships, I talked to coaches from aTm, Rutgers, Stanford, and even lowly Northwestern State who were there on the school nickel with their athletes.

Even worse, I know of at least one instance where we did not send a defending National Champion to an NCAA championship meet; he had to go on his own money.

[GetTheFacts1st]

Fish, if it is a violation, every school in the NCAA except UL breaks it. when c4l went to the USATF Junior National Championships, I talked to coaches from aTm, Rutgers, Stanford, and even lowly Northwestern State who were there on the school nickel with their athletes.

Even worse, I know of at least one instance where we did not send a defending National Champion to an NCAA championship meet; he had to go on his own money.

NCAA or USATF? Perhaps you are referring to the USATF. NCAA championships have always been paid/reimbursed by the NCAA so there should have been no problem with the NCAA instance you are referring to.

AS FOR MANUEL, IS ANYONE STARTING A FUND FOR THIS?

[GetTheFacts1st]

Express I disagree with you on this. This is not a NCAA sanctioned event, but about a dream of competing in the US Olympic trials in Oregon. It's not about the effect on football or any other sports for that matter, its not a NCAA sanctioned event. It's not T-Joe's job to get any of his college athletes to the US Olympic trials. In fact Olympic athletes are funded by private donations or sponsors. !

But NOT the trials. OTHER Louisiana schools pay for same season athletes and they highlight this when recruiting - even for seniors who have "just" graduated. Schools that have done this ARE Louisiana Tech, LSU and Northwestern State. NCAA rules do not prohibit this, as ANY knowlegeable and caring Athletic Director or compliance officer knows.

Some Louisiana schools are committed to "all" of their programs and surprise situations at the end of the year. We are obviously not one of them.

[CajunT]

But NOT the trials. OTHER Louisiana schools pay for same season athletes and they highlight this when recruiting - even for seniors who have "just" graduated. Schools that have done this ARE Louisiana Tech, LSU and Northwestern State. NCAA rules do not prohibit this, as ANY knowlegeable and caring Athletic Director or compliance officer knows.

Some Louisiana schools are committed to "all" of their programs and surprise situations at the end of the year. We are obviously not one of them.

GetTheFacts1st, if this is factual then why not take this to Scott Farmer and ask this question? I've complained about certain recent decisions and asked questions as well. In circumstances like this, were you are clearly passionate about this young lady competing in the Olympic trials, why not make it happen? Why must someone else do it? There are people that read this forum that have the means to help, open an account with PayPal and get it going.

As for some Louisiana schools being committed to "all" their programs, that would be one LSU. All the rest do not have the funds to support "all their programs." Just because some of them pay for their track athletes to compete at such trials, doesn't make that statement true. Hell, Louisiana Tech finished last in 8 of the 16 sports in the WAC recently. Are you telling me they fund or support all their sports programs equally? The only program in this state that is capable of doing that is LSU.

Let me address one other thing you mentioned in an earlier post in this thread concerning football. Football is the most popular sport in the United States, including in NCAA sports. No one is lining up to buy tickets to track events, tennis or golf for that matter. No other NCAA sport brings in more television money or provides more exposure for you athletic program then football. This is where UL is going to invest money finally if you haven't listened very closely lately. We are finally going to commit money to football like most of the successful athletic programs in the country. Cajun fans haven't seen this kind of commitment to football in their lifetime. You and other supporters of minor sports will not be happy with that decision, but this athletic program will not be successful without a good football program and that is priority. Football is the horse that drives the wagon in NCAA sports and that is fact.

[cajunhawk]

How do we know Tech and Northwester State didn't get their funding privately to send these athletes?

[VObserver]

Nope. Dauber won the NCAA indoor triple and in the same year qualified outdoors and we did not send him because he "had already been to one this year". He ended up going either on his own nickel or courtesy of someone other than the school. Got that straight fro the coach's mouth.

[VObserver]

To be honest, I talked to both the Northwestern coach and to his athlete at the USATF event I referred to, but did not ask who paid for them to go.

[GetTheFacts1st]

Nope. Dauber won the NCAA indoor triple and in the same year qualified outdoors and we did not send him because he "had already been to one this year". He ended up going either on his own nickel or courtesy of someone other than the school. Got that straight fro the coach's mouth.

(1) The NCAA pays travel and hotel expenses for all finals participants and the coach.
(2) Been that way since the early 1980's.
(3) Something other than "expenses" had to have prevented that athlete from attending those championships.
(4) See #2

[VObserver]

He attended... finished 3rd IIRC. I was just told that his expenses were not paid, and that his attendance was not sanctioned by the school. Again, I'm a pretty old dude, so I could be misremembering, but this has been a pet peeve for a long time with me, so I think I got it right.

[BonCajun]

I have never felt nausea over UL sports during the summer before. Both Tech and ULM sent competitors. http://m.thenewsstar.com/sports/arti...06240307&f=735

[GetTheFacts1st]

I have never felt nausea over UL sports during the summer before. Both Tech and ULM sent competitors. http://m.thenewsstar.com/sports/arti...06240307&f=735

Story is gone. ULM and Tech, huh?

Here is a partial list of additional schools who sent women . (Listed are for events completed thus far.)

1 - Arizona
2 - Arizona State
3 - Arkansas
4 - Auburn
5 - B Y U
6 - Baylor
7 - Boston U.
8 - Clemson
9 - Findlay
10 - Florida
11 - Florida State
12 - Georgetown
13 - Georgia
14 - Georgia Tech
15 - Grand Valley State
16 - Houston
17 - Illinois
18 - Illinois State
19 - Iowa
20 - Iowa St.
21 - Kansas
22 - L S U
23 - Louisiana Tech
24 - Michigan State
25 - Murray State
26 - Nebraska
27 - North Dakota State
28 - North Florida
29 - Ohio State
30 - Oklahoma
31 - Oregon
32 - Penn State
33 - San Diego State
34 - South Carolina
35 - South Dakota
36 - Stanford
37 - Texas
38 - Texas A&M
39 - U C Davis
40 - U C F
41 - U N L V
42 - U S C
43 - Villanova
44 - Virginia State University
45 - Washington
46 - West Virginia

[RaginFan2]

Story is gone. ULM and Tech, huh?

Here is a partial list of additional schools who sent women . (Listed are for events completed thus far.)

1 - Arizona
2 - Arizona State
3 - Arkansas
4 - Auburn
5 - B Y U
6 - Baylor
7 - Boston U.
8 - Clemson
9 - Findlay
10 - Florida
11 - Florida State
12 - Georgetown
13 - Georgia
14 - Georgia Tech
15 - Grand Valley State
16 - Houston
17 - Illinois
18 - Illinois State
19 - Iowa
20 - Iowa St.
21 - Kansas
22 - L S U
23 - Louisiana Tech
24 - Michigan State
25 - Murray State
26 - Nebraska
27 - North Dakota State
28 - North Florida
29 - Ohio State
30 - Oklahoma
31 - Oregon
32 - Penn State
33 - San Diego State
34 - South Carolina
35 - South Dakota
36 - Stanford
37 - Texas
38 - Texas A&M
39 - U C Davis
40 - U C F
41 - U N L V
42 - U S C
43 - Villanova
44 - Virginia State University
45 - Washington
46 - West Virginia

Do you know for sure that all of these schools sent them? Is it possible that some paid their own way or had donors assist them? I'm just asking - don't know. If the schools all (or nearly all) sent them, that would be a very poor reflection on our athletic dept.